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Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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> However, no previous generation has had the juggernuat that is... Every single generation for all of time has said this.

Yeah and each successive generation since the introduction of mass media has become more deranged.

I'm not sure, I haven't seen that many millennials advocating for mandatory setbacks and parking spaces at city planning meetings

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>To be fair, isn't this how every generation looks down on the next generation? If we're talking about music, movies, fashion styles, etc, I'd say yes. However, no previous generation has had the juggernuat that is FB to compare to. FB has had more (at least potential) than any other source of influence on the younger generations especially those that are young enough to never know life without FB.

> However, no previous generation has had the juggernuat that is... Every single generation for all of time has said this.

No generation ever has had this, full-stop. The only thing that comes close is cigarettes and they were fucking awful for people.

A 24/7 lie machine producing and creating lies around them with the people they know as the stars of the lies. It's a constant bombardment of imagery using people they know this has never been seen before because it has literally been impossible. There is no walking away or shutting it off, it happens outside of school and inside school.

I think your eagerness to dismiss this as a non-threat is a luxury of your age, privilege, and your likely enjoyment of the platform. I find it truly incredible you think other generations have experienced this... because it's quite plain none have.

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> Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? To be fair, isn't this how every generation looks down on the next generation? > We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Sorry, we can't leave this to armchair psychologists.

>To be fair, isn't this how every generation looks down on the next generation? If we're talking about music, movies, fashion styles, etc, I'd say yes. However, no previous generation has had the juggernuat that is FB to compare to. FB has had more (at least potential) than any other source of influence on the younger generations especially those that are young enough to never know life without FB.

at one point for a brief moment that was MySpace's claim

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Have we though? As an example Fox/CNN/etc all have opinion shows advertised as "news" programming. People listen to these opinions as news. So have we really figured out mass media?

Would it be OK to settle for "we have mass media figured out better than social media"?

Again, I don't think we do. Manipulation of the masses via information is a very easy thing to do. You put someone in a positon of "authority", and people will just fall in line with their views. The vast percentage of people do not want to think about certain things and will just believe what the person in a position of authority says, especially if it is already in the direction of some of their other core beliefs.

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Yeah, you can’t just sort of observe things from a distance and make hand-wavy statements regarding regulation. You’re not the only one to do this, of course — it’s actually one of the Facebook’s preferred talking points for journalists and politicians, as it turns their specific problems into an “industry-wide problem” — but your position is not accurate given the specific context of the company, its strategy, its e…

> it turns their specific problems into an “industry-wide problem” Facebook says this to escape liability. I say this so that we nuke the entire industry. > What you’re saying is a bit like, “we need stronger regulations on knives or we are just going to keep having a serial killer problem.” The knife analogy doesn't really work. Knives have tons of legitimate usage, and are easy enough to manufacture that even if kn…

Exactly , people are treating this as a Facebook problem when it’s really an industry problem. The elimination of Facebook does not fix the root cause of why all of this has happened and doesn’t stop a competitor from coming in and doing the Exact.Same.Thing.

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Facebook doesn't just play the game, they are the game. There is no other ad delivery platform as influential to teens and young adults. Full stop.

> There is no other ad delivery platform as influential to teens and young adults. Full stop. But as soon as you kill Facebook those people will just move on to the next competitor such as Snapchat or TikTok - you haven't actually solved the underlying problem.

Exactly , it’s extremely disingenuous to say Facebook is the game. No, they just really fucking good at the game. Removing them does not stop the game from being played.

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>To be fair, isn't this how every generation looks down on the next generation? If we're talking about music, movies, fashion styles, etc, I'd say yes. However, no previous generation has had the juggernuat that is FB to compare to. FB has had more (at least potential) than any other source of influence on the younger generations especially those that are young enough to never know life without FB.

at one point for a brief moment that was MySpace's claim

In the hot flash of a moment of MySpace's dominance, did it manipulate its users to the extent FB does? My recollection of MySpace was just "holy shit this thing caught on. how do we keep it from falling down?" vs "we own the everybodies, let's see how we can make them feel today"

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> software "engineering" doesn't have any certification / professional credentialing that "real" engineering (e.g., civil engineering) apparently does have Yeah and I hope it stays that way. Imagine needing a license to write software. It would mean the end of free and open source software as we know it. > Does anyone have any information about how effective such training / indoctrination is in preventing bad situati…

> Imagine needing a license to write software. It would mean the end of free and open source software as we know it. i don't think so because as you said: > It's about legal responsibility and liability. Make professional programmers directly responsible for the code they get paid to write. we urgently need liability for for-profit software in order to stop softwares race to the bottom.

You don't need licenses and gatekeeping to do that. All you need is a signed commit message. It's trivial for a corporation to require something like this.

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> Imagine needing a license to write software. It would mean the end of free and open source software as we know it. i don't think so because as you said: > It's about legal responsibility and liability. Make professional programmers directly responsible for the code they get paid to write. we urgently need liability for for-profit software in order to stop softwares race to the bottom.

>we urgently need liability for for-profit software in order to stop software's race to the bottom. If we're going to do that, there's no good reason to give a special exclusion for not-for-profit software.

Of course there is. A programmer writing free software in their bedroom is completely different from a professional writing softwafe for corporations and making 6-7 figures. Society expects a lot more from the latter.

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Good. Facebook should not be able to "quell" anything. It should suffer the full consequences of its actions every single time.

How do you define "full consequences"?

Whatever would have happened had their PR department not intervened.
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