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Stanford students are more likely to wear masks on bicycles than helmets

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Re: Stanford students are more likely to wear masks on bicycles than helmets

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But you look like a dork. And what about your hair?

The discouragement of biking is a big deal in the Netherlands. They’d rather have everyone biking casually than a few dedicated speedsters decked out with the right equipment.

We have these boomer speedsters wearing helmets now, on electric bikes racing through traffic like they were boomers.

We hate 'em.

I presume you meant discouragement of helmets.

Re: Stanford students are more likely to wear masks on bicycles than helmets

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The statistics don’t lie. Biking in the Netherlands is incredibly safe even without helmet wearing. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09257... Turns out there are other ways to make cycling safe. One could argue that helmet wearing might make it even safer, but we are talking about optimizing a number that is already very low. I’ve been to Stanford before and the campus is pretty car free. It is…

Traffic and road infrastructure for cycling and cars is radically different from the US. Has anyone attempted to compare cycling injury and death data while controlling for street design, relevant laws, and driver behavior? > we are talking about optimizing a number that is already very low. In the US, we have almost zero change of optimizing the factors that are better at reducing not only bicycling but traffic inju…

It's difficult to compare it if you also don't compare the culture. If you look are /r/idiotsincars, most of the commenters from the US would be treated as murderous psychopaths, as they can't comprehend people can ride bikes for anything else than sports and they are considered to be "blocking" 4 lane highways.

Re: Stanford students are more likely to wear masks on bicycles than helmets

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Thought experiment: what if we looked at wearing a helmet as a choice the same way that anti-vaxxers would say the COVID-19 vaccine is a choice? If so, should people who choose not to wear a helmet while bicycling be subjected to the same social and economic consequences as people who "choose" not to get vaccinated?

Not wearing a helmet does not affect people around you.

True, but the potential for needing medical care, hospitalization, or funeral services which could result in someone else being unable to receive care is similar.

Re: Stanford students are more likely to wear masks on bicycles than helmets

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The statistics don’t lie. Biking in the Netherlands is incredibly safe even without helmet wearing. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09257... Turns out there are other ways to make cycling safe. One could argue that helmet wearing might make it even safer, but we are talking about optimizing a number that is already very low. I’ve been to Stanford before and the campus is pretty car free. It is…

Biking could indeed be even safer in the Netherlands if people wore helmets: https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/neur.2020.0010 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00014... Arguing that it’s a small optimization is one thing, but that doesn’t mean it’s “not needed”.

Is your argument that any small optimization is needed?

Any form of transportation could be made safer with helmets, presumably cars far more so than bikes. Hell, surely some number of people suffer brain injury after falling out of bed. Should we all wear helmets to sleep?

Re: Stanford students are more likely to wear masks on bicycles than helmets

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The lack of bad anecdotes on that page combined with the fact 13k people daily ride their bike on campus would only serve to make me not feel like wearing a helmet there... Yes that first story is unfortunate but I'd bet she just wasn't that great on a bike

> I'd bet she just wasn't that great on a bike Literally blaming the victim. Not a good look.

Kali Lindsay? Victim of what? Either way it was her actions that led her to getting brain injuries.

Re: Stanford students are more likely to wear masks on bicycles than helmets

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The discouragement of biking is a big deal in the Netherlands. They’d rather have everyone biking casually than a few dedicated speedsters decked out with the right equipment.

We have these boomer speedsters wearing helmets now, on electric bikes racing through traffic like they were boomers. We hate 'em. I presume you meant discouragement of helmets .

> I presume you meant discouragement of helmets.

I assume he didn't - the point is asking people to wear helmets discourages biking. In practice it's overall healthier to not ask people to wear helmets.

Re: Stanford students are more likely to wear masks on bicycles than helmets

#77

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Thought experiment: what if we looked at wearing a helmet as a choice the same way that anti-vaxxers would say the COVID-19 vaccine is a choice? If so, should people who choose not to wear a helmet while bicycling be subjected to the same social and economic consequences as people who "choose" not to get vaccinated?

Not wearing a helmet does not affect people around you.

To extend it to covid, the vaccine doesn’t fully prevent transmission either. It reduces it (likely, I don’t think we’ve seen a robust study in this department), but since it’s not enough to reach herd immunity this point is moot

The argument has now become you’re taking up hospital beds because you didn’t get the vaccine. The same logic applies to not wearing a helmet.

And to take it further: are we ok with unvaccinated covid patients taking resources from those not wearing safety helmets, or vice versa?

Re: Stanford students are more likely to wear masks on bicycles than helmets

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Not wearing a helmet does not affect people around you.

True, but the potential for needing medical care, hospitalization, or funeral services which could result in someone else being unable to receive care is similar.

Ah yes, the famous bike crash pandemic of 1954.

Re: Stanford students are more likely to wear masks on bicycles than helmets

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Not wearing a helmet does not affect people around you.

To extend it to covid, the vaccine doesn’t fully prevent transmission either. It reduces it (likely, I don’t think we’ve seen a robust study in this department), but since it’s not enough to reach herd immunity this point is moot The argument has now become you’re taking up hospital beds because you didn’t get the vaccine. The same logic applies to not wearing a helmet. And to take it further: are we ok with unvaccin…

The rate at which people catch covid and get hospitalized is incomparably higher to the rate that people are getting brain injuries from riding a bike.

You can use the same "philosophical experiment" to ban being fat or drinking alcohol.

Re: Stanford students are more likely to wear masks on bicycles than helmets

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The masks they recommend in China are the N95 ones with valves that are banned in the west. My guess why is because they have to contend with both a pandemic and high pollution levels.

not sure if they're banned or not, they're not recommended because the valve lets you exhale unfiltered air, which is rather pointless for covid protection. For particulate filtering they're perfect though.

Recent studies show that valved respirators are actually better than or equivalent to surgical and cloth masks for source control:

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2021-107/default.html

However, the "valves bad" mantra has been repeated so long and so strongly that it is unlikely there will be any official guideline change.

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