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Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Re: Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Post by oingodoingo »

maram wrote: post #95
cblconfederate wrote: post #53

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company, and it has always been, and it's just sad to see the support it gets among technologists. Zuck doesn't strike me as particularly deep thi…

>> We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it I wonder why Snapchat is never included in any discussion regarding behavioral experiments. Facebook/Instagram to Snapchat stories is like Time/Vogue Magazine to tabloids. (This is not to defend FB) I’m just curious why Snapchat and its st…

it’s because snapchat is a fraction of the size of facebook, a rounding error by comparison

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Post by ryan93 »

numair wrote: post #82
Nextgrid wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company I don't want to defend Facebook, but this is not specific to Facebook. We have legitimized the modern concept of targeted advertising and Facebook just happens to play the game perfectly. Facebook is not 100% fault here (in fact there are others in this space). The fault is that we don't have regulation against something that is clearly detrimental to society.…

I ask this sincerely: what makes you an expert on the motives and culture of Facebook, where you feel you can authoritatively state that their problems are “not specific” to them? Because, as someone who has spent time with the founders and early executives, I think you’re flat-out wrong. These are people who were way more obsessed with manipulating people and society than any other group of people I’ve encountered —…

I dont get the framing of facebook as master manipulators of women. Kids feel bad on instagram because they can compare themselves to other.

Re: Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Post by cblconfederate »

maram wrote: post #95
cblconfederate wrote: post #53

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company, and it has always been, and it's just sad to see the support it gets among technologists. Zuck doesn't strike me as particularly deep thi…

>> We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it I wonder why Snapchat is never included in any discussion regarding behavioral experiments. Facebook/Instagram to Snapchat stories is like Time/Vogue Magazine to tabloids. (This is not to defend FB) I’m just curious why Snapchat and its st…

it happens to be one that i m familiar with, and i see the narcissistic behavior that it encourages. it s also more public afaik

Re: Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Post by cblconfederate »

Nextgrid wrote: post #79
cblconfederate wrote: post #53

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company, and it has always been, and it's just sad to see the support it gets among technologists. Zuck doesn't strike me as particularly deep thi…

> Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company I don't want to defend Facebook, but this is not specific to Facebook. We have legitimized the modern concept of targeted advertising and Facebook just happens to play the game perfectly. Facebook is not 100% fault here (in fact there are others in this space). The fault is that we don't have regulation against something that is clearly detrimental to society.…

afaik no other company tries so hard to manipulate people using their base feelings of social competition/envy/jealousy. at least not among the major ones.

Re: Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Post by ryan93 »

lowkey_ wrote: post #69
tomjen3 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Investment banking has no problem attracting smart people. Smart people know that you gain nothing by sacrificing yourself for society. Even if you cared enough to say no, all that would happen is that Facebook would pay somebody else to work for them.

> Investment banking has no problem attracting smart people. I've worked in banking and my ex worked for Facebook, and I genuinely don't see the comparison beyond rather inaccurate tropes. Bankers aren't tearing apart society and sowing division like Facebook is.

Trump lost his second term. I think society was actually torn apart during the civil war.

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Post by Nextgrid »

tjpnz wrote: post #42
hkaly wrote: post #3

Irony is Facebook will not attract the talent it needs to work constructively on these unsolvable problems. It will attract thd clueless and the most ambitious. People who are ready to defend it for their own profit. Its a trap where the hole they are in just keeps growing deeper.

>Irony is Facebook will not attract the talent it needs to work constructively on these unsolvable problems. At some point the brand will become so toxic that engineers who've worked there could find themselves persona non grata in many tech roles.

> At some point the brand will become so toxic that engineers who've worked there could find themselves persona non grata in many tech roles.

The majority of startups is still "growth and engagement" as opposed to producing real products/services that people pay for, so ex-Facebook is the perfect match.

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Post by heresie-dabord »

cblconfederate wrote: post #53

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company, and it has always been, and it's just sad to see the support it gets among technologists. Zuck doesn't strike me as particularly deep thi…

> Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company

$X is such a terrible human manipulation $enterprise.

Let's not be naive about the nature of prominent elements in our society. To take action against FB, one would establish precedent to curtail many types of widely-accepted manipulation and exploitation, not to mention corporate machiavellianism. (Machiavelli seems thoroughly benign these days.)

"Social media" is a delivery mechanism for propaganda and surveillance, with a smaller element of actual sociability and collaboration. I am opposed to what we see in social-media business, and I certainly don't think children should be encouraged to use it.

> Is this how you want the next generation to be?

One looks upon the current generations without much admiration.

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Post by shadowgovt »

sbmthakur wrote: post #90
amelius wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? To be fair, isn't this how every generation looks down on the next generation? > We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Sorry, we can't leave this to armchair psychologists.

> To be fair, isn't this how every generation looks down on the next generation? Values are always subjective. However, I would not classify their comment as an example of my-generation-good bias . Any form of media that inspires obsessive behavior is bad. In the previous generation, people didn't listen to warnings against obsessive gaming. No wonder it's leading to suicides nowadays. https://www.thebridgechronicle.…

"An emerging connection" doesn't mean "leads to suicide". It's at best a claim of correlation (maybe depressed people are more likely to socially isolate, and games are something fun to do while doing that?).

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Post by shadowgovt »

heresie-dabord wrote: post #107
cblconfederate wrote: post #53

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company, and it has always been, and it's just sad to see the support it gets among technologists. Zuck doesn't strike me as particularly deep thi…

> Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company $X is such a terrible human manipulation $enterprise. Let's not be naive about the nature of prominent elements in our society. To take action against FB, one would establish precedent to curtail many types of widely-accepted manipulation and exploitation, not to mention corporate machiavellianism. (Machiavelli seems thoroughly benign these days.) "Social media…

Maybe, maybe not. We took action against the cigarette companies and it didn't establish that precedent.
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