Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Post by pjmlp » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 12:42 PM UTC

hahajk wrote: post #77

pjmlp wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly does, just not in US. https://www.ordemengenheiros.pt/pt/a-ordem/colegios-e-especi... No Portuguese university is allowed to call their computing degrees engineering without their approval, and in certain kinds of state related projects, the one putting their signature into the legal contracts has to have the professional title acknowledged. Germany and Switzerland have a similar process for those carryi…

Even in the US computer engineering degrees require licensing and are different than “software engineering”, which is actually a specialty within computer science.

Except everyone calls themselves "engineer" after a 6 weeks bootcamp, is is rediculous.

Re: Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Post by numair » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 12:42 PM UTC

Nextgrid wrote: post #79

cblconfederate wrote: post #53

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company, and it has always been, and it's just sad to see the support it gets among technologists. Zuck doesn't strike me as particularly deep thi…

> Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company I don't want to defend Facebook, but this is not specific to Facebook. We have legitimized the modern concept of targeted advertising and Facebook just happens to play the game perfectly. Facebook is not 100% fault here (in fact there are others in this space). The fault is that we don't have regulation against something that is clearly detrimental to society.…

I ask this sincerely: what makes you an expert on the motives and culture of Facebook, where you feel you can authoritatively state that their problems are “not specific” to them? Because, as someone who has spent time with the founders and early executives, I think you’re flat-out wrong.

These are people who were way more obsessed with manipulating people and society than any other group of people I’ve encountered — including “professional” trolls on the dark web — and they remain exactly like this to this day. Manipulating young women and putting them in unhealthy/uncomfortable positions is part of the founding DNA of the company. Can you really say that about any other large corporation in Silicon Valley?

If you want to defend Facebook, please provide context — and any conflicts of interest.

Re: Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Post by amelius » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 12:51 PM UTC

cblconfederate wrote: post #53

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company, and it has always been, and it's just sad to see the support it gets among technologists. Zuck doesn't strike me as particularly deep thi…

> Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be?

To be fair, isn't this how every generation looks down on the next generation?

> We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens.

Sorry, we can't leave this to armchair psychologists.

Re: Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Post by amelius » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 12:59 PM UTC

DrBazza wrote: post #72

hkaly wrote: post #3

Irony is Facebook will not attract the talent it needs to work constructively on these unsolvable problems. It will attract thd clueless and the most ambitious. People who are ready to defend it for their own profit. Its a trap where the hole they are in just keeps growing deeper.

I've been approached by FB recruiters 3 times and turned them down 3 times. I've removed FB from all my devices except one. The only thing keeping me on the platform is that my sports clubs use it to organise matches and runs. I check FB once a day. All notifications are off. I really don't want anything to do with them. I'd still work for a military software developer. But not Facebook. Frankly, I was also surprised…

> I really don't want anything to do with them. I'd still work for a military software developer. But not Facebook.

Would you use open source packages developed by them?

Re: Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Post by treis » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 1:04 PM UTC

cblconfederate wrote: post #53

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company, and it has always been, and it's just sad to see the support it gets among technologists. Zuck doesn't strike me as particularly deep thi…

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that [radio, movies, magazines, TV, video games, the internet, cell phones] has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager

Every generation has complained about the impact of some technology on kids. I don't really see a causitive link between teenager happiness and Instagram. It's an easy target to blame for sure. Especially compared with the stark increase in economic insecurity and academic pressure placed on teens these days.

Re: Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Post by 2pEXgD0fZ5cF » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 1:08 PM UTC

Nextgrid wrote: post #79

cblconfederate wrote: post #53

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company, and it has always been, and it's just sad to see the support it gets among technologists. Zuck doesn't strike me as particularly deep thi…

> Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company I don't want to defend Facebook, but this is not specific to Facebook. We have legitimized the modern concept of targeted advertising and Facebook just happens to play the game perfectly. Facebook is not 100% fault here (in fact there are others in this space). The fault is that we don't have regulation against something that is clearly detrimental to society.…

> Facebook is not 100% fault here (in fact there are others in this space). The fault is that we don't have regulation against something that is clearly detrimental to society. Change that, and Facebook will become better (or be replaced by something better).

Treating Facebook employees and executives like some kind of force of nature that isn't responsible for its actions is really a bit weird. The people working at Facebook very much make these decisions and work with intent, which means they are at fault. They can be 100% at fault and we can still criticize the fact that we don't have enough regulations in place to protect society from companies like Facebook. Those two aspects are in no way mutually exclusive.

Re: Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Post by Invictus0 » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 1:10 PM UTC

treis wrote: post #85

cblconfederate wrote: post #53

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company, and it has always been, and it's just sad to see the support it gets among technologists. Zuck doesn't strike me as particularly deep thi…

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that [radio, movies, magazines, TV, video games, the internet, cell phones] has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager Every generation has complained about the impact of some technology on kids. I don't really see a causitive link between teenager happiness and Instagram. It's an easy target to blame for sure. Especially compared with the stark increase in econom…

What a lazy argument. I suppose nothing then can have a bad effect on teenagers.

Re: Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Post by stanleydrew » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 1:12 PM UTC

Nextgrid wrote: post #79

cblconfederate wrote: post #53

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company, and it has always been, and it's just sad to see the support it gets among technologists. Zuck doesn't strike me as particularly deep thi…

> Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company I don't want to defend Facebook, but this is not specific to Facebook. We have legitimized the modern concept of targeted advertising and Facebook just happens to play the game perfectly. Facebook is not 100% fault here (in fact there are others in this space). The fault is that we don't have regulation against something that is clearly detrimental to society.…

Facebook's terribleness runs much deeper than targeted advertising. It's been hostile and condescending to its users from day one.

Re: Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Post by hef19898 » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 1:12 PM UTC

treis wrote: post #85

cblconfederate wrote: post #53

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company, and it has always been, and it's just sad to see the support it gets among technologists. Zuck doesn't strike me as particularly deep thi…

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that [radio, movies, magazines, TV, video games, the internet, cell phones] has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager Every generation has complained about the impact of some technology on kids. I don't really see a causitive link between teenager happiness and Instagram. It's an easy target to blame for sure. Especially compared with the stark increase in econom…

Well, radio and cinema paved the way for modern mass propaganda. Sure, as a society we figured mass media out. The experiments involved a world war so. Sometimes I think that we will learn to handle social media, sometimes I worry about the damage social media, either directly or indirectly, do until we learned our lessons.

Re: Facebook Struggles to Quell Uproar over Instagram’s Effect on Teens

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Post by sbmthakur » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 1:17 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #83

cblconfederate wrote: post #53

We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? Facebook is such a terrible human manipulation company, and it has always been, and it's just sad to see the support it gets among technologists. Zuck doesn't strike me as particularly deep thi…

> Just observe a teenager of your family to see the values that are being taught through it. Is this how you want the next generation to be? To be fair, isn't this how every generation looks down on the next generation? > We don't even need clinical reporting to tell that instagram has a bad effect on teens. Sorry, we can't leave this to armchair psychologists.

> To be fair, isn't this how every generation looks down on the next generation?

Values are always subjective. However, I would not classify their comment as an example of my-generation-good bias. Any form of media that inspires obsessive behavior is bad. In the previous generation, people didn't listen to warnings against obsessive gaming. No wonder it's leading to suicides nowadays.

https://www.thebridgechronicle.com/lifestyle/world-suicide-p...