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Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by strogonoff » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 6:13 AM UTC

xzel wrote: post #29

mhb wrote: post #15

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In order to create an incentive for a solution to the problem of fraud which occurs when an entity takes insufficient steps to identify you it would be helpful to avoid using the term identity theft . Companies like to normalize the concept that it is our problem if they do something like opening an account based on widely available public information instead of taking more care in identifying a person. By calling wh…

I totally agree with you in theory, but someone went and created debt in my name. That is a form of theft. They used my identity to commit a theft. When I was filing a police report, they were talking about how to file it, as fraud, theft and/or identity theft. I thought it was funny that I was considering the semantics of what type of theft it was as well. I agree that the problem is with the system, but I don't thi…

In the example of a debt in your name, bank was defrauded by someone fooling their staff or computer systems—why should their broken security victimize you?

Identity theft implies something was stolen from you. In fact, that something (your very identity) is unalienable—whatever you do, you are as you as you ever were. The contrary is an oxymoron.

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by nyokodo » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 7:01 AM UTC

xzel wrote: post #29

mhb wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In order to create an incentive for a solution to the problem of fraud which occurs when an entity takes insufficient steps to identify you it would be helpful to avoid using the term identity theft . Companies like to normalize the concept that it is our problem if they do something like opening an account based on widely available public information instead of taking more care in identifying a person. By calling wh…

I totally agree with you in theory, but someone went and created debt in my name. That is a form of theft. They used my identity to commit a theft. When I was filing a police report, they were talking about how to file it, as fraud, theft and/or identity theft. I thought it was funny that I was considering the semantics of what type of theft it was as well. I agree that the problem is with the system, but I don't thi…

> at the end of the day they felt to me like an accomplice.

Precisely, it’s a racket. The financial institutions take other people’s money, create more out of thin air to lend to other people while not checking very much whether they are who they claim they are so they can maximize their interest income, and offload most of the risk onto the government and strangers.

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by he0001 » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 8:25 AM UTC

So how do you find out if your data is in this breach?

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by philliphaydon » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 8:34 AM UTC

no_butterscotch wrote: post #32

jdavis703 wrote: post #27

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At least personally I’m worried about being held on totally fictitious charges of espionage or sedition. I worked for a national security agency that they particularly despise. So yeah, I won’t be going there to find if they want to harass me or not. (I also don’t trust my own government to not make up fictitious petty crime charges against me, so maybe I’m paranoid.)

This is what I'm afraid of. I just worked for some stupid government contractor building web-apps of all things, albeit the product was for a US military branch. However consider the case of those Canadians held on trumped charges to get back at the US/Canada for arresting the Huawei executive.

There’s also the American who’s sons are currently held in china trying to get the father to return to China on some fraud charges.

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by hellbannedguy » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 8:36 AM UTC

bigwavedave wrote: post #9

xzel wrote: post #5

I recently had my identity stolen and used for the first time. My data has been leaked so many times who knows where it was taken from (40+ hits on haveibeenpawned). The process of clearing the debt in my name was pretty enlightening. I feel like it’s only going downhill from here.

> I recently had my identity stolen and used for the first time. My data has been leaked so many times who knows where it was taken from (40+ hits on haveibeenpawned). The process of clearing the debt in my name was pretty enlightening. I feel like it’s only going downhill from here. I'm sorry, that's a really crappy experience! I hope you can get things cleared up soon. Back before I realized how easy it is for some…

In order to garnish a paycheck, the creditor needs to take you to court, and a judge needs to issue a Judgement.

This is why mandatory arbitrations need to be abolished. I can almost guarantee this was a MD. Arbitrators usually side with the creditor--99.99% of the time.

If you do get a Judgement against you, you do gave rights.

You can keep certain personal property, but if you make a decent income, they can take part of your wage.

(Stealing credit us bad, but so is Mandatory Arbitration. Obama talked about getting rid it it. Trump never talked about it. I would like to see Biden do something, but then again he's from Delaware. He might decide enough is enough though with his advancing age?)

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by MonkeyClub » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 9:13 AM UTC

strogonoff wrote: post #41

xzel wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally agree with you in theory, but someone went and created debt in my name. That is a form of theft. They used my identity to commit a theft. When I was filing a police report, they were talking about how to file it, as fraud, theft and/or identity theft. I thought it was funny that I was considering the semantics of what type of theft it was as well. I agree that the problem is with the system, but I don't thi…

In the example of a debt in your name, bank was defrauded by someone fooling their staff or computer systems—why should their broken security victimize you? Identity theft implies something was stolen from you. In fact, that something (your very identity) is unalienable—whatever you do, you are as you as you ever were. The contrary is an oxymoron.

> Identity theft implies something was stolen from you. In fact, that something (your very identity) is unalienable—whatever you do, you are as you as you ever were. The contrary is an oxymoron.

This conflates a metaphysical concept ("identity" as "who one is") with a legal and financial concept ("identity" as "who is authorizing a loan").

The person falling victim to identity theft is still the same person ontologically, but quite a different person financially.

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by herbst » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 11:43 AM UTC

silisili wrote: post #39

wraptile wrote: post #24

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You're extremely small minded if you think down on Thailand like this. It's an absolutely gorgeous country!

It doesn't matter how one views a country, it's reality. I got downvoted to hell from people who probably never have been. Is it beautiful? Absolutely. Does creepy sex tourism make up a noninsignificant amount of it? Yup. I'd wager more than 10%, based on my travels. Anyone who thinks differently is not in tune with reality.

To be fair I've spent like 4 months in Thailand and sex tourism is focused to just a few small touristic areas. It's barely visibly up in the north, and even Bangkok you only see it if you go near walking street or drive out to Pattaya.

In Amsterdam its way more obvious for example, than in most nice touristic islands.

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by strogonoff » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 11:49 AM UTC

MonkeyClub wrote: post #46

strogonoff wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the example of a debt in your name, bank was defrauded by someone fooling their staff or computer systems—why should their broken security victimize you? Identity theft implies something was stolen from you. In fact, that something (your very identity) is unalienable—whatever you do, you are as you as you ever were. The contrary is an oxymoron.

> Identity theft implies something was stolen from you. In fact, that something (your very identity) is unalienable—whatever you do, you are as you as you ever were. The contrary is an oxymoron. This conflates a metaphysical concept ("identity" as "who one is") with a legal and financial concept ("identity" as "who is authorizing a loan"). The person falling victim to identity theft is still the same person ontologic…

There is a line of feasibility—if John Smith has my face, my fingerprints and all of the passwords, John Smith is not me yet an ordinary institution can reasonably claim that beyond their sophistication to detect—but we are far from approaching that line when we speak of modern identity theft. Today it often sounds more like “someone stole from us by fooling our staff so we will just go ahead and reimburse ourselves from your account, thanks!”

Also, I am not a lawyer (are you?), but I don’t think there is a legal concept of “identity” that is somehow different from the metaphysical I of a person. I could be wrong though.

(I hate to make this argument because in a non-ideal world with malicious actors it appears to advocate for zero-trust dystopia with pervasive biometric checks, which is not my intention.)

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by jdavis703 » Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 4:27 PM UTC

systemvoltage wrote: post #40

jdavis703 wrote: post #37

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I think they meant it’s cultural heritage is Chinese. Not that it’s part of the PRC government. At least that’s my good faith interpretation.

I think given the intense sensitivity around interpretation, please consider my comment as a clarification.

I’m pretty sure even when the PRC calls them a “renegade” it’s because even they admit it’s a separatist government, even if they consider the separatists illegitimate. Nothing in my comment is insensitive to either government.

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by pvarangot » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 5:36 AM UTC

systemvoltage wrote: post #35

pvarangot wrote: post #25

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Have you been to Taiwan? It's China and the government is not paranoid and obsessed about the US.

Taiwan is most definitely not China and does not share passport/visitor data.

It calls itself China and I like to think about China as a culture/people that most of what I saw in Taiwan represents very well, so I call them China. Sorry if I offended your sensibilities.