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Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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None of those countries offer birthright citizenship: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-who-offer-birt... That changes the political and migration dynamics significantly.

> That changes the political and migration dynamics significantly. How exactly?

We’ll presumably all those children born to immigrants in the US who are automatically citizens aren’t added to the “immigrant numbers” like they are in Europe?

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Before blaming them, we should ask why they are against it. “provide payments to prop up carbon-free nuclear energy” I would be also against a bill that includes this.

Nuclear energy is probably our best bet for big scale carbon-free energy. Renewables without (costly, often impractical) enormous storage can't do the job, and keeping gas plants for peak loads isn't helping. Nuclear has enormous upfront costs, making it a somewhat risky investment, so big subsidies are required to get it up and running. After that you get carbon-free electricity for decades.

So which part are you against?

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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No other country (democracy or not) has such a huge influx of legal and illegal immigrants and a laughably porous border. The US admits more people than the populations of some these democracies that people compare the US with. You can have a huge welfare state or open borders but not both. Unless the US invents a perpetual motion machine. Edit: downvotes and running away, the mark of a rational mind

The downvotes are likely because you’ve made an outlandish claim that is unlikely to hold up to investigation - that America admits more immigrants than the population of some democracies that criticise it. Total estimated population of unauthorised migrants in the US is around 11.4 million and declining (around 3% of population). 310,000 unauthorised migrants arrive in a year https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/…

500,000 migrants per year? 1 million get US citizenship each year.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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We need “unprecedented measures” to stop and reverse the “unprecedented” damage we have caused to the planet and its climate. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and if the past year of climate catastrophes has shown us anything, it’s high time we act. Yes, the proposed changes might be inconvenient but it’s time we suck it up and do the needful. Small steps are not good enough. We need drastic measures.

Probably a good idea to stop pointing to specific weather events as evidence of impending doom, because for all of their specific destructiveness, they have had essentially no impact on humanity’s general way of life.

I’m not saying hurricanes and droughts and floods aren’t bad, nor that they won’t get worse, but if you set the bar for catastrophe at the current level, a lot of people are going to decide they can easily live with that.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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We need “unprecedented measures” to stop and reverse the “unprecedented” damage we have caused to the planet and its climate. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and if the past year of climate catastrophes has shown us anything, it’s high time we act. Yes, the proposed changes might be inconvenient but it’s time we suck it up and do the needful. Small steps are not good enough. We need drastic measures.

Americans (and Australians) will never accept any changes that negatively impact their lives or wallets. Especially when the consequences of climate change are not clear and present. As democracies, we will simply vote out any government that asks us to change our ways. I think Covid19 demonstrates how resistant people are to change, and that they are not willing to make sacrifices for the greater good. Nearly 700,00…

Except that Americans and Australians have proven over and over again that they will accept changes that negatively impact their lives and wallets, most recently the voluntary and involuntary changes that negatively affected their lives and wallets due to COVID-19.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Americans (and Australians) will never accept any changes that negatively impact their lives or wallets. Especially when the consequences of climate change are not clear and present. As democracies, we will simply vote out any government that asks us to change our ways. I think Covid19 demonstrates how resistant people are to change, and that they are not willing to make sacrifices for the greater good. Nearly 700,00…

Lifestyle changes are going to be inevitable, one way or the other.

I don't think that's a given for people alive today. Climate change happens on a global scale, not a human scale. People wont "feel" it's change.

I'm happy to make sacrifices, but a lot of vocal people are not.

We need to stop talking about "making sacrifices". We need to get people excited about the amazing opportunities all this work provides us.

It's exciting to me that we need to replant our forests. We have new power plants to build. New desalination plants! New farming technologies!

So much work in so many industries, it can be an exciting time of growth if you ask me!

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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The Build Back Better bill (or reconciliation bill) is the only real climate legislation that will plausibly be signed into law in the United States in the 2020s. It offers a meaningful path forward for the US to curb its carbon emissions. Opposing it means you oppose doing anything about mitigating the climate crisis within the United States from a federal legislative perspective within a timeframe where we can reas…

No. One can oppose the bill for lots of reasons, including a lack of faith that any of the taxes, regulations and spending will have the effect you and the politicians who wrote it think it will. Or one might oppose it because one thinks it doesn't go far enough. Either way mind reading isn't helpful.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Apple is a piece of shit. I worked in an Apple affiliated call center and this was an atrocious low paying job that took advantage of Texas’ and the then recession to get labor at bargain prices. After ten years of pulling my self from mire that was 2008 my application at Apple was put jnto quest because had quit the call center job some 8 years before. Apple came to Austin so it could avoid paying taxes it uses slave labor in china and really doesn’t have product that is that necessary. They dont pay their taxes, they over and over are not a contributor to the common good of this country.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Americans (and Australians) will never accept any changes that negatively impact their lives or wallets. Especially when the consequences of climate change are not clear and present. As democracies, we will simply vote out any government that asks us to change our ways. I think Covid19 demonstrates how resistant people are to change, and that they are not willing to make sacrifices for the greater good. Nearly 700,00…

Except that Americans and Australians have proven over and over again that they will accept changes that negatively impact their lives and wallets, most recently the voluntary and involuntary changes that negatively affected their lives and wallets due to COVID-19.

I realize it was a little disrespectful of me to dismiss the many people who have made huge sacrifices to help prevent the virus both here in Australia and the US. The lockdowns have been very tough, and many businesses ruined. I'm in a two week quarantine after a close contact in a supermarket right now.

I should have suggested that "some" people will not change, and they will be very vocal. Many politicians will want their vote, and its not clear to me who will have the majority in our democracies.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Because the rest of us are subsidizing the externality of the destruction your petrol car is wreaking on the environment. ...also, given that you're calling it a "petrol" car - a Briticism - do you even live in the US? If not, you won't be the one subsidizing it in case this bill comes to pass anyway.

I don't even have a car, why should I subsizide someone elses? They should just not have a car, like me. If that doesn't work where they live, the move to somewhere where it works, and pay absurd rents, like I do. I'm not strictly against the subsizidies, but they have sever social justice implications.

I can't tell if this is a joke comment...
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