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Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Post by CapitalistCartr »

fighterpilot wrote: post #85
wk_end wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the rest of us are subsidizing the externality of the destruction your petrol car is wreaking on the environment. ...also, given that you're calling it a "petrol" car - a Briticism - do you even live in the US? If not, you won't be the one subsidizing it in case this bill comes to pass anyway.

Taxing carbon has justification. Subsidizing EVs does not. If I walk and bike everywhere, I shouldn't be funding someone's EV, which has its own externalities above and beyond my bike related to lithium mining and manufacturing and the grid not being fully renewable and taking up more space on public roads. They should be giving me money instead.

Because we all, including you, still live on this planet. We need more people, lots more, to switch their purchase to electric vehicles. We all need this.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Post by justshowpost »

asaddhamani wrote: post #11

We need “unprecedented measures” to stop and reverse the “unprecedented” damage we have caused to the planet and its climate. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and if the past year of climate catastrophes has shown us anything, it’s high time we act. Yes, the proposed changes might be inconvenient but it’s time we suck it up and do the needful. Small steps are not good enough. We need drastic measures.

> we act

But please act at your own expenses.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Post by [deleted] »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #61
wk_end wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the rest of us are subsidizing the externality of the destruction your petrol car is wreaking on the environment. ...also, given that you're calling it a "petrol" car - a Briticism - do you even live in the US? If not, you won't be the one subsidizing it in case this bill comes to pass anyway.

I don't live in the US, but I will still be subsidizing it. I work for an American corp. If the customers and owners of the company are paying more tax to Uncle Sam, they're gonna be paying less salary to me.

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Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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xondono wrote: post #87
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #17

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Oh no, god forbid we try to drag ourselves into the 21st century, and get somewhere close to what every other modern democracy has offered for decades.

> get somewhere close to what every other modern democracy has offered for decades. Yes, just come closer to the clusterfuck the rest of us have. In every country most people say “healthcare in this country is a mess”, and yet, my best experiences with healthcare have been in the US.

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Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Post by [deleted] »

CapitalistCartr wrote: post #91
fighterpilot wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taxing carbon has justification. Subsidizing EVs does not. If I walk and bike everywhere, I shouldn't be funding someone's EV, which has its own externalities above and beyond my bike related to lithium mining and manufacturing and the grid not being fully renewable and taking up more space on public roads. They should be giving me money instead.

Because we all, including you, still live on this planet. We need more people, lots more, to switch their purchase to electric vehicles. We all need this.

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Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Post by shkkmo »

throwawaysea wrote: post #54
sofixa wrote: post #41

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Are you sure? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_mig... I see Austria, Belgium, UK, Germany, Denmark, Italy accepting more immigrants per capita than the US. In many of those countries, the "huge welfare states" have prerequisites ( for instance you can't just come in as an economic migrant and ask for unemployment benefits). Furthermore, i thought the US was the richest country - it certainly h…

None of those countries offer birthright citizenship: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-who-offer-birt... That changes the political and migration dynamics significantly.

> That changes the political and migration dynamics significantly.

How exactly?

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Post by refurb »

the-dude wrote: post #74
apendleton wrote: post #51

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It's basically a bribe -- there was pretty well-sourced reporting that UAW was going to lobby against the electric vehicle package because electric require less manufacturing labor than ICE cars do (ugh), so this was the way to buy them off. It's sort of annoying, but probably tactically the right move given how much power labor has in Democratic politics.

This is the first time I have seen the word labor used in the context of US politics.

Really? The unions hold a lot of power, even today. That’s why the federal and California vaccine mandates have huge carve outs for the unions. The Democrats know who butters their bread and they’re willing to give them a pass knowing they’ll retain their votes next election.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Post by AniseAbyss »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #46
asaddhamani wrote: post #11

We need “unprecedented measures” to stop and reverse the “unprecedented” damage we have caused to the planet and its climate. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and if the past year of climate catastrophes has shown us anything, it’s high time we act. Yes, the proposed changes might be inconvenient but it’s time we suck it up and do the needful. Small steps are not good enough. We need drastic measures.

Americans (and Australians) will never accept any changes that negatively impact their lives or wallets. Especially when the consequences of climate change are not clear and present. As democracies, we will simply vote out any government that asks us to change our ways. I think Covid19 demonstrates how resistant people are to change, and that they are not willing to make sacrifices for the greater good. Nearly 700,00…

Lifestyle changes are going to be inevitable, one way or the other.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Post by refurb »

akomtu wrote: post #47

If software was developed the way politicians pass laws, Linux would get one master commit every few years with thousands of unrelated things in it, from typo fixes to sketchy telemetry, with a 1500 pages long description, and the commit would be branded as "build security better". The review would be a months long show where maintainers of all factions with their own agendas would try to negotiate behind the closed…

Plenty of laws get passed with specific language and quick votes.

The difference here is that the Democrats are trying to pass a massive spending bill and have a very slim majority in the house and Senate, so they need “all hands on deck”, so they need to offer some sugar to everyone to get it passed.

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