They aren't stupid - they know how that nonsense ends.
The rest of the inert, woke US enterprises should better join them ASAP before climatists run the entire world into the ground.
Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill
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Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill
#22We need “unprecedented measures” to stop and reverse the “unprecedented” damage we have caused to the planet and its climate. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and if the past year of climate catastrophes has shown us anything, it’s high time we act. Yes, the proposed changes might be inconvenient but it’s time we suck it up and do the needful. Small steps are not good enough. We need drastic measures.
The proposed changes include a $12,000 tax rebate on buying a new electric car, weatherization incentives for homes, and will probably include sweet deals on solar panels. Where’s the inconvenience?
Only if the vehicle is built in a union shop, which the leading EV manufacturer is not. The credit is significantly reduced otherwise.
Also, gas burning PHEVs (Prius) count as EVs which is such a limp handout to legacy auto and does little to push R&D forward.
Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill
#23The Build Back Better bill (or reconciliation bill) is the only real climate legislation that will plausibly be signed into law in the United States in the 2020s. It offers a meaningful path forward for the US to curb its carbon emissions. Opposing it means you oppose doing anything about mitigating the climate crisis within the United States from a federal legislative perspective within a timeframe where we can reas…
This bill isn’t a focused climate or infrastructure bill. That’s the marketing dressing for a widely scoped bill where only 23% of spending is for infrastructure. In actuality it includes many radically left-leaning policies, which moderates on neither side of the aisle can support. A prominent example is that it included changes to immigration that would grant citizenship for 8 million illegal immigrants, which luckily the Senate parliamentarian shot down. That’s not a climate bill - that’s a power grab that intends to reshape the electorate and dilute the voting interests of legal citizens, particularly Republicans, since this cohort would overwhelmingly vote Democrat. People have many complex reasons to support or oppose any bill, just as they do with any candidate. It isn’t as black and white as you’re painting. If supporters of the bill truly felt climate was a critical issue, they would create a much tighter bill that has as few reasons to garner opposition as possible.
Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill
#24Before blaming them, we should ask why they are against it. “provide payments to prop up carbon-free nuclear energy” I would be also against a bill that includes this.
The article says why. The US Chamber of Commerce has fought tooth and nail against climate legislation because they view themselves as "job creators" and see anything that threatens corporate profits as an existential threat to society. They've only recently been forced to admit that climate change even exists, but it's still like pulling teeth because they insist that any solutions have to be technology driven from…
> they view themselves as "job creators" and see anything that threatens corporate profits as an existential threat to society
On a totally unrelated note, just think how much activity an Arctic shipping corridor could add to the globalized economy :) https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/new-unexpected-shipping-r...
Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill
#25This article, per usual, is creating a completely false narrative. Just by opposing a particular bill that is ostensibly aimed at controlling the climate does not mean you are opposed to all actions aligned with that bills outward goals.
"We're not in principle against stopping climate change, we're just against every specific measure proposed to counter climate change."
Sorry, I'm really tired of hearing these arguments.
Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill
#26We need “unprecedented measures” to stop and reverse the “unprecedented” damage we have caused to the planet and its climate. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and if the past year of climate catastrophes has shown us anything, it’s high time we act. Yes, the proposed changes might be inconvenient but it’s time we suck it up and do the needful. Small steps are not good enough. We need drastic measures.
The proposed changes include a $12,000 tax rebate on buying a new electric car, weatherization incentives for homes, and will probably include sweet deals on solar panels. Where’s the inconvenience?
> Where’s the inconvenience?
I don't want to buy a new electric car. I have a perfectly working petrol car. Why should I subsidize some rich guy's fancy new electric toy?
Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill
#27The Build Back Better bill (or reconciliation bill) is the only real climate legislation that will plausibly be signed into law in the United States in the 2020s. It offers a meaningful path forward for the US to curb its carbon emissions. Opposing it means you oppose doing anything about mitigating the climate crisis within the United States from a federal legislative perspective within a timeframe where we can reas…
It is a massive spending program that gives government too much power, probably will harm our infrastructure and any impact on climate is purely speculative.
I am pretty sure a lot of digging holes and filling them back up kind of work just for the sake compliance. I hope the bill does not pass or even if it passes future admins roll it back.
Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill
#28Before blaming them, we should ask why they are against it. “provide payments to prop up carbon-free nuclear energy” I would be also against a bill that includes this.
Could you explain your position? I feel like nuclear energy is one of the best options we have available for a reduction in carbon emissions, with very high safety despite public fears:
https://www.ted.com/talks/michael_shellenberger_how_fear_of_...
Or is your opposition more due to the proposed subsidy?
Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill
#29The Build Back Better bill (or reconciliation bill) is the only real climate legislation that will plausibly be signed into law in the United States in the 2020s. It offers a meaningful path forward for the US to curb its carbon emissions. Opposing it means you oppose doing anything about mitigating the climate crisis within the United States from a federal legislative perspective within a timeframe where we can reas…
If this is true then maybe the fault lies partially with the bad-faith legislators who have stuffed the bill with a Christmas wish-list of items that suit their agenda but have nothing to do with climate change, thus making it harder for the bill to pass?
Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill
#30The Build Back Better bill (or reconciliation bill) is the only real climate legislation that will plausibly be signed into law in the United States in the 2020s. It offers a meaningful path forward for the US to curb its carbon emissions. Opposing it means you oppose doing anything about mitigating the climate crisis within the United States from a federal legislative perspective within a timeframe where we can reas…
So its not revenue neutral.
Revenue neutral doesn't mean you can't increase taxes. It just means the funding isn't based on borrowing.