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Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by version_five »

mhb wrote: post #15
xzel wrote: post #5

I recently had my identity stolen and used for the first time. My data has been leaked so many times who knows where it was taken from (40+ hits on haveibeenpawned). The process of clearing the debt in my name was pretty enlightening. I feel like it’s only going downhill from here.

In order to create an incentive for a solution to the problem of fraud which occurs when an entity takes insufficient steps to identify you it would be helpful to avoid using the term identity theft . Companies like to normalize the concept that it is our problem if they do something like opening an account based on widely available public information instead of taking more care in identifying a person. By calling wh…

I agree with you to the extent that the conversation should basically be "it's not my fault you were dumb enough to lend money to someone who pretended to be me" and it is 100% the institutions fault. In practice though, I find advocating for language change to be a completely empty gesture. There should be clearer laws or precedents about who is liable, and it seems clear it should be "buyer beware" - for greater clarity by buyer I mean to include the lending institutions. If I lend someone money without properly vetting them, it's obviously going to be on me. It should be no different for institutions.

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by malwarebytess »

no_butterscotch wrote: post #20
hiram112 wrote: post #17

I can't imagine the type of espionage operations the various intelligence agencies can now run against each other. For example, the OPM database hack (by China, allegedly) leaked pretty much every single US citizen who holds a security clearance. A large power like China could simply hack into the travel databases of countries like Thailand, Netherlands, etc. which are known for vices like prostitution and drugs and…

My data was leaked in the OPM hack. I had security clearance at that time. I'm not entirely sure, but there's a part of me that's paranoid about visiting China. I'd like to for tourism reasons. But at the same time, something inside me says "what if?"

What are you afraid of?

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by wraptile »

BikiniPrince wrote: post #8

I had an ex that wanted to actual tourism there. I tried explaining I wasn’t yet retired or single, but she didn’t get it. She ruined a cruise instead.

You're extremely small minded if you think down on Thailand like this. It's an absolutely gorgeous country!

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by pvarangot »

no_butterscotch wrote: post #20
hiram112 wrote: post #17

I can't imagine the type of espionage operations the various intelligence agencies can now run against each other. For example, the OPM database hack (by China, allegedly) leaked pretty much every single US citizen who holds a security clearance. A large power like China could simply hack into the travel databases of countries like Thailand, Netherlands, etc. which are known for vices like prostitution and drugs and…

My data was leaked in the OPM hack. I had security clearance at that time. I'm not entirely sure, but there's a part of me that's paranoid about visiting China. I'd like to for tourism reasons. But at the same time, something inside me says "what if?"

Have you been to Taiwan? It's China and the government is not paranoid and obsessed about the US.

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by Avicebron »

version_five wrote: post #21
mhb wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In order to create an incentive for a solution to the problem of fraud which occurs when an entity takes insufficient steps to identify you it would be helpful to avoid using the term identity theft . Companies like to normalize the concept that it is our problem if they do something like opening an account based on widely available public information instead of taking more care in identifying a person. By calling wh…

I agree with you to the extent that the conversation should basically be "it's not my fault you were dumb enough to lend money to someone who pretended to be me" and it is 100% the institutions fault. In practice though, I find advocating for language change to be a completely empty gesture. There should be clearer laws or precedents about who is liable, and it seems clear it should be "buyer beware" - for greater cl…

and if the institutions are "criminally" negligent in their actions? yea, it's fine to tell joe shmoe down the street that it's their fault they trusted an institution, but we have laws about this regarding large companies falsely or not "read, it may be in 35000 pages of text agreed to with a button click" claiming to be secure while not, taking advantage of peoples ignorance or more rightly, being busy, that those who claim anything implicit, whether legal or not, should be the ones to shoulder the burden.

There has been a science developed around "how much can we get away with" and that's the problem. Do you expect joe shmoe to have that kind of budget?

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by jdavis703 »

malwarebytess wrote: post #22
no_butterscotch wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My data was leaked in the OPM hack. I had security clearance at that time. I'm not entirely sure, but there's a part of me that's paranoid about visiting China. I'd like to for tourism reasons. But at the same time, something inside me says "what if?"

What are you afraid of?

At least personally I’m worried about being held on totally fictitious charges of espionage or sedition. I worked for a national security agency that they particularly despise. So yeah, I won’t be going there to find if they want to harass me or not.

(I also don’t trust my own government to not make up fictitious petty crime charges against me, so maybe I’m paranoid.)

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by xzel »

bigwavedave wrote: post #9
xzel wrote: post #5

I recently had my identity stolen and used for the first time. My data has been leaked so many times who knows where it was taken from (40+ hits on haveibeenpawned). The process of clearing the debt in my name was pretty enlightening. I feel like it’s only going downhill from here.

> I recently had my identity stolen and used for the first time. My data has been leaked so many times who knows where it was taken from (40+ hits on haveibeenpawned). The process of clearing the debt in my name was pretty enlightening. I feel like it’s only going downhill from here. I'm sorry, that's a really crappy experience! I hope you can get things cleared up soon. Back before I realized how easy it is for some…

Yeah it sucked but honestly it could have been a lot worse. My credit score rebounded pretty quickly. I also only caught it until after it made it to collections, so very close to where you were. Luckily I work freelance so there weren't any wages to garnish.

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by xzel »

mhb wrote: post #15
xzel wrote: post #5

I recently had my identity stolen and used for the first time. My data has been leaked so many times who knows where it was taken from (40+ hits on haveibeenpawned). The process of clearing the debt in my name was pretty enlightening. I feel like it’s only going downhill from here.

In order to create an incentive for a solution to the problem of fraud which occurs when an entity takes insufficient steps to identify you it would be helpful to avoid using the term identity theft . Companies like to normalize the concept that it is our problem if they do something like opening an account based on widely available public information instead of taking more care in identifying a person. By calling wh…

I totally agree with you in theory, but someone went and created debt in my name. That is a form of theft. They used my identity to commit a theft. When I was filing a police report, they were talking about how to file it, as fraud, theft and/or identity theft. I thought it was funny that I was considering the semantics of what type of theft it was as well. I agree that the problem is with the system, but I don't think calling it something else will remove the current onus on the individual vs. the company. Anyways, at the end of the day we were both defrauded.

What I do take issues with is how easy they make it with no compensation. Someone opened an account in my name in a state I haven't been to in 10 years while I was 3000 miles away on the other coast. In the end, I felt like I should have been paid for my time from the company that let this happen because at the end of the day they felt to me like an accomplice.

Re: Details of some 100M visitors to Thailand exposed online

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Post by xzel »

conk wrote: post #16
bigwavedave wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I recently had my identity stolen and used for the first time. My data has been leaked so many times who knows where it was taken from (40+ hits on haveibeenpawned). The process of clearing the debt in my name was pretty enlightening. I feel like it’s only going downhill from here. I'm sorry, that's a really crappy experience! I hope you can get things cleared up soon. Back before I realized how easy it is for some…

This doesn’t add up. How was a summary judgement issued without you ever being served? Why didn’t you appeal the decision after being made aware of the issue?

If you have moved recently and or a few times, and not updated your mailing address etc, they might struggle to get in contact with you. I only noticed mine almost 9 months after the fact due to my credit score dropping ~200 points.
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