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California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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> What a shockingly sad interpretation from most (all at the time of writing) comments here. It's shockingly sad to see people defending state discrimination based on race and sex.

How so? If the state continues to allow a small subset of the population to discriminate based on race and sex, isn't that also the state defending discrimination?

I think discriminating based on race and sex (for hiring decisions) is already illegal. Therefore, the only new scenarios covered by this law are where a board ends up being single-sexed and -raced for reasons that one can't make a strong case were due to discrimination.

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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The comments here as I write this are quite shocking. I would have imagined that HN's readership would be quite progressive. Maybe not. I do not think it is unreasonable for a corporate board to be required to include at least one woman or at least one non-white person. I also think it's quite shocking that all-white-male boards are so common that this is even necessary. It's an artifact of institutional racism and s…

Is a non-American European counted as white in this?

Or are we pretending that the various different non-Anglo/WASPy "whites" in Europe have the exact same cultural & socio-economic headstart in the US as the US whites?

It's a stupid rule.

> are quite shocking

Sheesh, your hyperbole is showing.

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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I agree with you, about HN's audience, which is I guess what "bro culture" devolves into, and that the idea isn't crazy. Board room implies scale. If you don't have diversity at scale, in so many senses of the word, your doomed to fail anyway. So many knee jerk reactions are a sad reflection of this community, though.

> If you don't have diversity at scale, in so many senses of the word, your [sic] doomed to fail anyway. Then why do we need a law banning it? If these white-male-only-board-led companies are doomed to fail, they should be outcompeted by sufficiently-diverse-board-led companies. I have a feeling the physical attributes of the board doesn't actually matter when it comes to a company's performance.

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Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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The problem is that someone must be fired because he is a white male

Edit: deleted because original comment has changed.

"he" because the article says "all-white-male"

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

#115

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A national government requiring that hiring decisions be made on the basis of gender or race, and the response is "what is the actual problem with it?"

You seem to think that hiring decisions aren't already largely made on the basis of race and gender.

I'm baffled how one could think that statement is any sort of defense for allowing a government to dictate racial quotas for private company hiring.

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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The comments here as I write this are quite shocking. I would have imagined that HN's readership would be quite progressive. Maybe not. I do not think it is unreasonable for a corporate board to be required to include at least one woman or at least one non-white person. I also think it's quite shocking that all-white-male boards are so common that this is even necessary. It's an artifact of institutional racism and s…

I'm not sure why you think that. Hacker News is amazingly conservative, not in the "God and guns" sense, but in the "please don't change anything ever" sense. I'm not even going to pretend that doesn't apply to me, too. Hate crypto, short AI hype, can't stand Electron apps, refuse to touch anything written in JavaScript, wish code would get out of my damn browser and into compiled executables I can keep on my local filesystem. We're basically all old men yelling at clouds here.

Reflexively, this sounds like a stupid law to me, but unless the LA Times is just lying, it sounds like it's been successful and similar policies are now being pushed privately, apparently by Nasdaq, Goldman Sachs, BlackRock, and even the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is behind an effort to do something similar but without actual punishment.

It's probably illegal, though, and seems destined to eventually be struck down whenever it gets to the Supreme Court.

I also share your surprise that all white-male boards were even common before this. Mostly white-male boards I expected, but not 100%, at least for publicly traded large companies. Anybody trying to say that was meritocracy is fooling themselves. There is no way in hell there is that much of a skew in merit across gender and race boundaries.

At the same time, I very much agree with the other comments saying this is focusing on exactly the wrong kind of progressivism. It feels like George Bush putting together the most ethnically diverse cabinet of all-time, but they were still uniformly war hawks, liars, and authoritarians. Making the 0.00001% of the world allowed to have power more diverse doesn't change that power is still way too centralized. It's fine for the extreme upper echelon of women and ethnic minorities but does nothing for the vast masses of actually underprivileged people.

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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Quotas are good for increasing diversity, but lol @ thinking someone of a different gender or race will lead to a gentler kinder capitalism. This is a decision that will affect at most a few hundred or a few thousand people in a state of tens of millions. Those millions are suffering far more than bourgeois C-level aspirants one rung too low on the ladder for their taste. Pure spectacle. We need workplace democracy a…

Yup. It's frustrating neoliberal nonsense to be so concerned with increasing diversity in roles that shouldn't even exist while ignoring the widespread impacts of sexism and racism.

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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"Chud" is the modern term for "Widerstand gegen den Nationalsozialismus" Given California's absolute failures in fixing their inequity, lack of any middle class or upper middle class african-americans, homelessness, schools. They're not the shining example they think they are.

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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The law doesn’t pass constitutional muster. There are several challenges underway.

I really don't like this pattern that's developing. The pattern that I see is, "Implement an obviously unconstitutional law. Let it affect people in some manner for N months until the courts get around to saying that it's illegal. Repeat indefinitely." The speed of the courts depends on the political party of the offender, of course. See also: Executive Orders that can be removed and how swiftly they are removed.

That's because passing unconstitutional laws carries no penalty and little threat.
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