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Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhouse-gas emissions

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Re: Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhouse-gas emissions

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The ironic thing is that speed limits reduce revenues collected from gas tax via better fuel efficiency from driving slower.

A mid-sized conventional gasoline car is more fuel efficient at 55MPH than at 45MPH. Pumping losses work that way. With improved aerodynamics, you could get that even higher. https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10312

At which speed a car is most efficient can essentially be chosen by the engineer designing it as far as I know.

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--- original: Vast majority of the swiss beef supply is conventionally fed, with imported grain/soya crops. I was wrong, correction below

Actually 90% of the food is produced IN the country. Instead of soya they use mostly local corn for mass production. https://schweizerfleisch.ch/herkunft/facts-figures-schweizer...

I stand corrected, I was looking for official sources but my german is quite bad. Thank you!

Re: Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhouse-gas emissions

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Actually 90% of the food is produced IN the country. Instead of soya they use mostly local corn for mass production. https://schweizerfleisch.ch/herkunft/facts-figures-schweizer...

I stand corrected, I was looking for official sources but my german is quite bad. Thank you!

No worries. I was honestly surprised myself!

Re: Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhouse-gas emissions

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Beef is delicious. Meat is delicious. We have to figure out how to replace that before we get rid of cattle farms.

The article shows that buffalo uses less energy, but its not at all suggested, although it would be a very good replacement in terms of taste and nutrition.

Re: Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhouse-gas emissions

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A decrease of carbon would many lower crop yields, could I sue for my lowered crop yields? The issue of a carbon tax is basically that politicians are only too happy to give more taxes, and would support carbon taxes regardless of it being good or bad.

Not sure about the potential for a private entity to sue another private entity for those damages - but sure, to the extent that beef production creates positive externalities, the value of those externalities should also be priced in. Though most of the warming potential from cattle farming comes from methane, not carbon dioxide, so I'd be surprised if it actually had a nonnegligible impact on crop yields, let alone…

Does the existance of a carbon tax in parts of Europe and usage of carbon credits show it is not that unpopular? California's electronics tax I always saw as a carbon tax in disguise. It would be labeled as moral code but in effect are taxes.

Re: Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhouse-gas emissions

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Hm, this seems to be missing the point that plant monocrops destroy the soil and are not nearly as efficient a source of food for the human body as fresh animal meat. Regenerative agriculture, which ideally requires both animal and plant cultivation, would be a better path forward if it could scale. If I remember correctly the papers that originally thought cattle were a big contributor to global warming turned out t…

Your efficiency argument is ridiculously based on a Medium article.

Here's a quote from the Economist article citing two recent scientific studies: "It takes 33 plant calories to produce one calorie of beef."

Re: Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhouse-gas emissions

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Incredible. Thanks for sharing. I had no idea. What is “pumping loss “?

> What is “pumping loss “? Unlike older scientific topics that have esoteric terminology, usually from the Latin, this one is pretty straight forward... It is the energy lost due to pumping. Basically, the overhead of keeping an engine running no matter how much distance of roadway you cover, but more on point, the extra losses due to running an engine outside of its peak power/performance range: https://www.cyclewor…

Would be very interesting to see some of the ideas that they wanted to base improved infrastructure on with older ideas of the future of technology. The convoys always fascinated me, and the entrenchment of older technology makes progression much harder when the existing infrastructure is heavily depended on and long term planning has never been a strength of the US.

Re: Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhouse-gas emissions

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There is a certain amount of carbon in the atmosphere, and a certain amount of carbon in the ground. When you burn oil, you take carbon from the ground and introduce it into the atmosphere. This increases the total amount of carbon resident in the atmosphere. When you grow plants, you take carbon out of the atmosphere. When you eat it, you release it back into the atmosphere. The total amount of carbon resident in th…

Grass grows more vigorously but also consumes more nutrients when regularly pruned, other plants also "grow more vigorously" e.g get replanted when harvested by humans. This does not seem unique to grass or animal feeding. Even if it was, grass-fed beef is about 1% of the supply in the US. It has also been shown that grass-fed beef on average causes more environmental degradation than conventionally fed beef, due to…

Buffalo is a very obvious harm reduction option that would create less harmful externalities but it’s not at all suggested, only lab grown meats and removing all meats from diet.

Re: Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhouse-gas emissions

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Hm, this seems to be missing the point that plant monocrops destroy the soil and are not nearly as efficient a source of food for the human body as fresh animal meat. Regenerative agriculture, which ideally requires both animal and plant cultivation, would be a better path forward if it could scale. If I remember correctly the papers that originally thought cattle were a big contributor to global warming turned out t…

"plant monocrops" -- like all the soy that is planted to grow so it can be fed to the cows?

The monocrops are terrible for many reasons but the issue is subsidies. We have HFCS because of an artificial surplus of corn production.
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