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Re: The greatest resume I've ever seen

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Post by bradlys » Fri, Oct 01, 2021, 2:39 AM UTC

stuff4ben wrote: post #128

Kranar wrote: post #120

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I agree there is tension and it's imperfect and I don't think one needs to go to one extreme or another... but GP literally said that they hired someone who didn't know "the first thing about programming" who took a single course on Java programming and just hired that person because they had the "chops and passion". That is what I am criticizing as not being helpful. If someone has the chops and passion for a job, t…

It was a fresh college graduate, I don't expect them to know shit about software development honestly. What I do expect is for them to work hard and show passion for what they're doing and the learning process. I expect to see prior experience of self-motivation and hard work which is easily teased out in the interview process. This person became one of those legendary developers that could do the work of 3 without b…

That’s just confirmation bias on your part, my dude. You’re kinda glossing over the fact you took a chance and it worked out. How many times did you take chances like this on people? Probably not a lot.

You likely hired the other folks not because they were passionate or had some quality you looked for in the other candidate but because they were clearly apt and able to do the job.

I’d also say that there are many people out there that are incredibly intelligent, hardworking, knowledgeable, and just don’t give a single fuck about any business they work for. Most of my peers put me in that group. Don’t be bitter with us - we don’t find the shit challenging or appealing. A lot of us spent years in college grinding at rigorous academics and came out jaded. There’s relatively little left to learn compared to a starry eyed kid who took a single course, barely knows shit as you said, and is being given a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Kid will leave and likely be jaded like the rest. It happens. Mentally, software is a horrible career.

Re: The greatest resume I've ever seen

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Post by spiketom » Fri, Oct 01, 2021, 4:07 AM UTC

madflame991 wrote: post #36

JshWright wrote: post #28

"Until I met Daniel, I actually didn't know that "smoke testing" was a term with a literal smoke-related meaning. I'd always heard it used in the context of software tests. Daniel used a tracing technique to follow a problem to its source, instead of just making random guesses." I've always known "smoke testing" to refer to the mythical magic smoke that makes all electronics work. Smoke testing is turning something o…

Tangential-ish: I used to live in a place where we had gas resources and gas stoves. Gas pipes would be painted yellow to stand out and people always had some sort of respect and caution around them - you don't mess with gas pipes - I learned that as a kid. At the slightest whif of gas people would light up a match or a lighter and run it along the pipe to check for leaks - I always thought this is what "smoke testin…

> At the slightest whif of gas people would light up a match or a lighter and run it along the pipe to check for leaks

What is this? Some kind of Tom & Jerry show? Light a match near a leaking gas pipe and BOOOM!!!

Re: The greatest resume I've ever seen

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Post by mcntsh » Fri, Oct 01, 2021, 5:41 AM UTC

eps wrote: post #140

mcntsh wrote: post #126

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Again, if this "experience" so "rudimentary", why do top engineers spend time on leetcode trying to get better for interviews? Wouldn't this "rudimentary" experience be learned through their, you know, actual work experience?

Because these "top engineers" are self-taught with massive gaps in their base CS education? Reversing a tree tests for the knowledge of binary trees and recursion, which is... what?... a second year of a CS program, conservatively?

Go on Blind. There are plenty of engineers at top companies in the Bay Area talking about “grinding leet code” as a part of their job searches.

Re: The greatest resume I've ever seen

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Post by bryanrasmussen » Fri, Oct 01, 2021, 6:51 AM UTC

stuff4ben wrote: post #103

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #98

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>So... smart and gets things done. So... young and has no family or other important time-consuming commitments. That's what we're looking for!

So by your reckoning, old people with families and a life outside of work are... stupid and don't do anything? Are you serious? Being smart and showing you have great motivation to get things done in NO WAY relates to how old you are, if you have a family, or a life outside of work.

if you had read the article the guy worked 11 hour days and then came home and learned to program.

>As a commercial and residential plumber in metro Atlanta, he pulled 11-hour days working some of the dirtiest, stinkiest problems in the country.

from third paragraph.

later on

>Over the weeks that followed, Daniel forced himself to sit down at his computer after those 11-hour days. He grappled with Python and Javascript in the back of his work truck. One minute he was wrangling sewer pipelines - the next minute, CI/CD pipelines.

So I don't know, are you serious?

Re: The greatest resume I've ever seen

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Post by mcntsh » Fri, Oct 01, 2021, 7:27 AM UTC

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #136

mcntsh wrote: post #53

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> shouldn't have to do no learnin' Expecting engineers to develop skills they don't learn/use in their actual professions to prove they're capable of working a job makes no sense. If these leetcode puzzles were actually relevant, why do so many engineers have to spend time outside of work "grinding" in order to get better at them?

Inverting a binary tree is nothing but basic pointer-chasing and recursion. Both skills that software engineers need. It's like a chef complaining about being asked to make a fried egg. They might not be making that exact food in their job, but it's trivial for anyone proficient with the basic techniques that they need in their job.

I'll say it again -- if these skills were something software engineers needed, there wouldn't be a need for services like Leetcode because SWEs would just learn these skills at their jobs.

Re: The greatest resume I've ever seen

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Post by bryanrasmussen » Fri, Oct 01, 2021, 10:24 AM UTC

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #98

stuff4ben wrote: post #14

So... smart and gets things done. Honestly that's all I look for on a resume. You also have to talk about it in an interview. I couldn't care less if you can invert a binary tree. One of the greatest developers I've ever worked with, I hired straight out of college. He graduated with an electrical engineering degree but his senior year he took a course in Java and liked it and decided to be a programmer. Couldn't tel…

>So... smart and gets things done. So... young and has no family or other important time-consuming commitments. That's what we're looking for!

as it is past the edit window I suppose I will just note that the above was in reference to the quote from the article

>Over the weeks that followed, Daniel forced himself to sit down at his computer after those 11-hour days. He grappled with Python and Javascript in the back of his work truck. One minute he was wrangling sewer pipelines - the next minute, CI/CD pipelines.

so the guy was able to work 11 hour days and learn to program, two programming languages, to take part in this contest, and his code was evidently solid as well so - I have to assume he did at least 4 hours a day after the 11 hour work days, and then of course the weekends.

Evidently people thought I meant that only young people can be smart and get things done, which I can only think that misunderstanding arose from not having read the article. Because even if I agreed that smart and gets things done was the answer if someone pointed out young and has no family I would immediately think oh yeah, he was definitely pulling some 15 hour days there without distractions.

Re: The greatest resume I've ever seen

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Post by JBlue42 » Fri, Oct 01, 2021, 4:14 PM UTC

forrestbrazeal wrote: post #144

JBlue42 wrote: post #137

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Agreed. It's 133 pages. Content is good for those like myself trying to answer "Where to start" with cloud stuff. Still cheaper than LinuxAcademy/ACloudGuru. If it leads to a six-figure career, a $24 investment is worth it I guess.

Like with any info product, a lot of the value here comes from what you put into it (the book contains dozens if not hundreds of hours worth of project ideas) - but I'll just add for posterity that part of the value of that sticker price is an included biweekly newsletter that provides inside referrals to hand-curated cloud jobs. We've seen great response to this newsletter so far, including multiple folks getting jo…

Yes, I should've brought up the newsletter as an additional resource.

The $24 is still the 50% off price. I didn't have any issues dropping that amount on it despite being unemployed because I already knew you from your newsletter and as a guest on Last Week in AWS / Screaming in the Cloud. For someone outside of tech, whose not used to those prices for an ebook, it might be prohibitive. Especially when they'll want to spend $40 on a course by Adrian Cantrill (I would warn them away from ACG) then the $150 for exams.

Brand new Kindle books go for $14.99 typically then settle to around $9.99 and can go lower depending on what publishers want to do.

It seems things are going well at your price point though and that's something for anyone doing self-publishing to consider. It's ok to still throw out an opinion that at face value it 'seems' expensive. :)

I'm glad so many people are getting traction out of it. I look forward to diving in further myself over the course of the next year. The thing about the tech world I appreciate are all the efforts of people to give back, including yours.