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Always-on Processor magic: How Find My works while iPhone is powered off

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With this feature enabled, can adversaries (with a bluetooth antenna) detect your phone's presence, even if it's off?

What do they see? Do they see your device name eg. "Craig's iPhone", or do they just see random alphanumeric characters?

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> What is controversial about this? I'll predict that almost no one opted out of this for the simple reason that they didn't know this feature even existed. This is the "Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" method of faking consent.

They show it clearly above the slider when shutting down. Since this is a feature virtually 100% of users want on. This seems appropriate.

If they aren't under a gag order, that is. If they are, you won't even know it's on.

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With this feature enabled, can adversaries (with a bluetooth antenna) detect your phone's presence, even if it's off? What do they see? Do they see your device name eg. "Craig's iPhone", or do they just see random alphanumeric characters?

Probably an encrypted payload to be forwarded to apples ‘find my’ services

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> I’ll be pretty shocked if I’m “spied on” with this style of device. Why? There's plenty of devices in the wild constantly looking for wifi connection attempts, BLE Scans. Even cellular provider track locations in real-time by logging what cell towers you're using and associated signal strength. Just search for a place in google maps, and note the "Popular Times". How do you think they got that data :D

Um they get that data from being a monopoly and knowing when most people are looking up directions to or information about a location. Sure, they might do some other stuff to expand the data but there's much more relevant data right in their first-party domain.

Apart from what my sibling already said, think about it. How would searching for a restaurant correlate with "popular times"? Not much really. Would be all over the place. I search for the restaurant 3 days in advance at 10 in the morning but I'll be there Saturday night at 8, just like many other people. And at 10 in the morning the restaurant was still closed.

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Yep, that's not going to spark conspiracy theories and damage the brand at all, just like the backdoor they've recently put in. /s Again, why would $3T company damage its brand like that? It's not "for children" and certainly not to "find your phone". There's something going on there.

Apple has made it easier for users to locate lost (by being misplaced, forgotten, or stolen) devices with a feature that the user can opt out of on a temporary or permanent basis. What is controversial about this?

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Why would they waste their time on Bluetooth tracking when your location pings cell towers and WiFi hotspots?

Perhaps because the bluetooth tracking is a lot more accurate. But since not even Apple can access the data (or so they claim), this shouldn’t be useful for surveillance.

Bluetooth tracking kinda sucks unless you’re literally apple or have beacons everywhere somehow. It really just gives proximity to a known location.

UWB and Cell tower tracking are much more accurate for the majority of real-world applications

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post #52
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Can a faraday cage backpack work well to block any of this stuffv

Some of it. There is still the ultrasonic channel: beacons are emitted by various tv's, stores, etc. which can be used to capture location and other data and exfiltrate from the phone with the right software running. And of course the regular microphone can capture conversations and media. If the bag is not opaque, there is still an optical channel. Plus there are still accelerometers and magnetometers which can do r…

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Very interesting read. This seems to be implemented as a Bluetooth LE app running on the ultra-low power “always on processor” used for a variety of features, like “wake-up on motion.” Much like an Tile or AirTag is implemented. No comment on what this is capable in the future.. but for now this shows power usage / signal strength / proximity of other “actually on” devices are a limitations of this feature. What’s im…

yea I remember years ago Qualcomm was working on an "always on" BLE chip. Use cases they promoted was a 24/7 tracking for ad placements. With privacy concerns back then I thought that would never get approval yet here we are now.

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#160
Does this still work when the phone goes to 0%? Assuming the battery isn’t actually at 0 here; or that the AOP could have its own tiny backup source to last a few days/week.

Now that would be useful. I guess this use case is valid when someone naughty finds your phone and turns it off to try and hide it?

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