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Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by gorgoiler »

Opening a PR for something like this is extremely dramatic.

I have, thankfully, never had much involvement with codes of conduct but if I did I would want it to pass by a committee or a community vote, with ample time beforehand for discussion, platform, and voting with majority or super majority requirement.

A PR, on the other hand, needs just a handful of political allies — your reviewer — to land, and that’s it. I of course assume the best intentions on the part of the requester, but one could be forgiven for seeing it as a power play, subverting the democratic process.

Not everything is code.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by karaterobot »

In general these seem like mostly bad ideas to me, but I'm not part of that community, and I'm in favor of them making their own rules and accepting the consequences.

However, I am wondering if there is some historical context that I'm missing: have their been increasingly hostile or abusive discussions in the Ruby community which these changes are meant to address?

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by tenaciousDaniel »

zkldi wrote: post #18
jhhh wrote: post #8

This github links to a twitter thread about rationale for the change which mentions a sexist joke that was in the ruby mailing lists but doesn't link to it. I feel like I've read entire news articles about kinds of events like these where no one will actually show what was said. We're just supposed to agree it was really bad sight unseen. Here's my guess at the joke at the core of this for anyone wondering: http://bl…

I was trying to actually look for the sexist joke, couldn't find it anywhere.

It's a bit buried in the GH discussion, but someone else posted it here:

"Maybe this has been written for women, having calculated their age ;)"

If I were in charge of a community or mailing list, I would kick the person who wrote that off. But I simply don't see how (a) the existing rules didn't do enough to cover this, or (b) the changes will resolve those issues without causing other problems.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by andrew_ »

dfgjnirf wrote: post #46

I thought this was a troll. I feel that the identifying of CEOs of big companies as a protected class may have been a tipping of the hat. There seems to be a common strategy by right wing accelerationists that involve masquerading as left wing and pushing things into absurdity.

Or there are left wing actors that are truly absurd. I'd believe that before tinfoil theories about bad actors.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by taneq »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #12

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> The rest of us normal, sane people need to stop letting "good intentions" let the trojan horse of endless CoC, morality games, witch hunts and ideological warfare from continuing in the name of 'being non-offensive'.

Amen. These days my instant response to this kind of posturing is to disengage as far as possible from all involved. It's an ideological cancer that turns previously productive communities into a morass of backbiting and one-up-person-ship.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by [deleted] »

froggertoaster wrote: post #53
andrew_ wrote: post #33

And another project skews into the digital manifestation of an HOA [1]. May the next generation put an end to this madness. [1] Home Owners Association, for those outside the U.S. and unfamiliar with the term.

I feel like your comparison is unfair to HOAs.

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Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by User23 »

taneq wrote: post #58
dfgjnirf wrote: post #46

I thought this was a troll. I feel that the identifying of CEOs of big companies as a protected class may have been a tipping of the hat. There seems to be a common strategy by right wing accelerationists that involve masquerading as left wing and pushing things into absurdity.

> There seems to be a common strategy by right wing accelerationists that involve masquerading as left wing and pushing things into absurdity. Or does there? The truly disturbing aspect of so many things like this is that (as per Poe's Law) it's impossible to distinguish cynical mockery from earnestly-held extremism.

I was wondering if some of the weirdness is machine translation from Japanese. Anyone know?

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Post by taneq »

sarlalian wrote: post #17
calvinmorrison wrote: post #12

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How about not telling offensive jokes, not making offensive assumptions, or just not being offensive. Its a programming language mailing list, what exactly is it about a sexist joke that you think belongs there?

I'm offended by your insinuation. Take that back and apologise right now!
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