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Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

#21

This is a very slanted and misleading title. The title of the commit is "Remove abuse enabling language" and it appears to do just that.

It might be slanted in the sense that they're picking out a single thing that was removed, but I don't see how it's misleading. They are indeed removing that line.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

#22

Almost more surprising is that this was removed: > When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should always assume good intentions. In favor of this: > Participants should speak and act with good intentions, but understand that intent and impact are not equivalent. Also changed yesterday: > Behaviour which can be reasonably considered harassment will not be tolerated. became: > Behaviour which ca…

"Protected class" means stuff like race, sex or veteran status. So if you harass a random conference-goer at a Ruby-focused event, that cannot be addressed under the CoC because you haven't evidenced harassment towards a protected class as a whole (e.g. all veterans)? How does that even make sense?

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

#23

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How about not telling offensive jokes, not making offensive assumptions, or just not being offensive. Its a programming language mailing list, what exactly is it about a sexist joke that you think belongs there?

No.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

#24

Almost more surprising is that this was removed: > When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should always assume good intentions. In favor of this: > Participants should speak and act with good intentions, but understand that intent and impact are not equivalent. Also changed yesterday: > Behaviour which can be reasonably considered harassment will not be tolerated. became: > Behaviour which ca…

These updates have a very nebulous definition of harassment. According to the new CoC, almost anything can be considered harassment. As far as the "intent and impact" of the intentions, assuming that someone acts in bad faith is a good way to turn a misunderstanding into actual hatred. Such a result should be considered worse than having to deal with a few bad apples who try to take advantage.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

#25
post #2

This whole CoC thing is just stupid. Why do they need to write this kind of rules in the first place?

Because people keep saying and doing crappy things, and then when they are called out for it, they claim its just a joke.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

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post #8

This github links to a twitter thread about rationale for the change which mentions a sexist joke that was in the ruby mailing lists but doesn't link to it. I feel like I've read entire news articles about kinds of events like these where no one will actually show what was said. We're just supposed to agree it was really bad sight unseen. Here's my guess at the joke at the core of this for anyone wondering: http://bl…

I was trying to actually look for the sexist joke, couldn't find it anywhere.

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Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

#27

Almost more surprising is that this was removed: > When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should always assume good intentions. In favor of this: > Participants should speak and act with good intentions, but understand that intent and impact are not equivalent. Also changed yesterday: > Behaviour which can be reasonably considered harassment will not be tolerated. became: > Behaviour which ca…

This just seems to be establishing proper boundaries?

I don't know what specifically motivated this PR, but I assume something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning .

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

#28

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How about not telling offensive jokes, not making offensive assumptions, or just not being offensive. Its a programming language mailing list, what exactly is it about a sexist joke that you think belongs there?

leftist policies are offensive. what are we going to do about that?

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

#29

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How about not telling offensive jokes, not making offensive assumptions, or just not being offensive. Its a programming language mailing list, what exactly is it about a sexist joke that you think belongs there?

Throughout history, men have bonded by expressing humor, angst, and emotions regarding sex. It may be an outrage by the moral fashion of today. But, you would have a hard time making the case that this behavior is unusual by incumbent standards of collaboration.

Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC

#30
post #7

Almost more surprising is that this was removed: > When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should always assume good intentions. In favor of this: > Participants should speak and act with good intentions, but understand that intent and impact are not equivalent. Also changed yesterday: > Behaviour which can be reasonably considered harassment will not be tolerated. became: > Behaviour which ca…

Yeah - no longer assuming good intentions is a weird thing to change. I guess it makes it easier to claim bad intentions?

It makes it easier to fight trolls who hide behind bad faith arguments.
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