Live data from Hacker News

Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

reuters.com

41–50 of 495 posts

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#41

Edit: Too many downvotes for my view that this Opel case is yet another symptom of the wrong handling of the panedmic by any governments, leading to inflation and supply chain disruptions. If opinions are downvoted then I do not need to participate.

Any proof that there's a significant inflation ongoing?

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#42

Man - the magnitude / impact of these chips shortages on autos in particular is crazy. Regardless of Opel popularity, in the US the F-150 was a best selling vehicle and massive cash cow and they had unfinished vehicles sitting out. These chips have GOT to be a relatively low margin / somewhat lower cost item (ie, feature size can be large). What a miss not to have more coverage for them.

Auto makers should just buy back leased cars from dealerships and harvest the chips. These are cars after all, so the chipsets have probably been the same underpowered crapware for the last ten years.

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#43
post #21

What I'll never understand is why carmakers don't take advantage of this situation and address a market that's been literally BEGGING for decades for a new product: A simple, basic car, with the ONLY electronic control being for: - Valve timing - Fuel injection - Oxygen and throttle - Emissions There's a market for budget and privacy oriented customers that all carmakers seem to have ignored for two decades now. Give…

It might make zero sense as a buyer but as a manufacturer it makes a lot of sense. I would guesstimate that most of the margin is made on luxury and add-on features. A good example of this is rims: larger rims don't change anything for a daily driver, but you can add them as an option for a considerable premium. Same for many other add-ons and they're still bought very often. In addition to this, while there definitely is a certain subset of the market that would appreciate a product with considerably fewer features, my gut feeling is that it's the same in automobiles as in tech — it's a very small part of the market.

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#44
One thing that's going to come out of this crisis is cars being repriced as not just engine + wheels + seats but rather a consumer tech gadget. I expect prices to keep climbing well after supply chain issues have been solved. Piling on subscription pricing is next (and is already happening in a lot of cases).

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#45

Edit: Too many downvotes for my view that this Opel case is yet another symptom of the wrong handling of the panedmic by any governments, leading to inflation and supply chain disruptions. If opinions are downvoted then I do not need to participate.

The people not producing goods weren’t doing so out of laziness or some bureaucratic snafu. They weren’t producing goods because there was a pandemic and getting physically near others was dangerous.

If you think those furloughed workers shouldn’t have gotten any money sue it would be “good” for the long term system, then might I suggest as a modest proposal that you simply toss them into a meat grinder? Very simple and removes the people spending too much money from the economy

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#46
post #23

"Some 1,300 workers employed at the plant will be temporarily laid off, Opel said, with a separate plant in France picking up some of the production." Perhaps a very convenient chip shortage? Anyhow, why not build a car without electronics, gps, g4, microphones, voice control, tracking and screens. Because that is exactly what I want.

Because even that car would have chips in it, unless if you’re selling it illegally. You cannot make a gasoline engine that meets emissions regulations without sophisticated engine control unit (ECU) systems in it. That and there are a bunch of safety features that require it, like ABS and automatic braking. In the United States it is also illegal to sell a new car without a backup camera, which obviously requires a screen of some sorts near the driver.

Beyond that, the reality is that these features you decry are very, very popular. Nobody will make a car exactly the way you want, because that’s not where consumers are.

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#47
post #21

What I'll never understand is why carmakers don't take advantage of this situation and address a market that's been literally BEGGING for decades for a new product: A simple, basic car, with the ONLY electronic control being for: - Valve timing - Fuel injection - Oxygen and throttle - Emissions There's a market for budget and privacy oriented customers that all carmakers seem to have ignored for two decades now. Give…

I think you’re vastly a) underestimating the time it takes to bring a new product line all the way into production in the auto industry, and b) overestimating the true demand for such a product, Hacker News and adjacent crowds notwithstanding – peoples broadly have come to expect those simple features at practically every price point, as evidenced by the ubiquity of said features in the market.

B in particular. Products like the Yaris compete on price alone.

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#48
post #21

What I'll never understand is why carmakers don't take advantage of this situation and address a market that's been literally BEGGING for decades for a new product: A simple, basic car, with the ONLY electronic control being for: - Valve timing - Fuel injection - Oxygen and throttle - Emissions There's a market for budget and privacy oriented customers that all carmakers seem to have ignored for two decades now. Give…

>A simple, basic car, with the ONLY electronic control being for:

- Valve timing - Fuel injection - Oxygen and throttle - Emissions

You still need electronics for

- ABS - ESP - Airbags (- Diagnostics)

Because these are mandated.

Buy a cheap Dacia and there won't be much else except electric windows.

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#49
post #21

What I'll never understand is why carmakers don't take advantage of this situation and address a market that's been literally BEGGING for decades for a new product: A simple, basic car, with the ONLY electronic control being for: - Valve timing - Fuel injection - Oxygen and throttle - Emissions There's a market for budget and privacy oriented customers that all carmakers seem to have ignored for two decades now. Give…

In the United States backup cameras, tire pressure monitors, and electronic stability control are required by law.

So out of your list that leaves..

GPS (already optional on most cars) Ass warmers (already optional on most cars) Telemetry (this could be removed from models that have it, not all cars sold today have telemetry) USB chargers (really don't think USB chargers are causing a production shortage at this moment) Proximity Sensors (already optional on budget cars) Keyless entry (could be removed, I doubt many people would buy a new car without keyless entry tho) Remote climate control (already optional on budget cars)

Re: Chip shortage leads carmaker Opel to shut German plant until 2022

#50
post #37
post #21

What I'll never understand is why carmakers don't take advantage of this situation and address a market that's been literally BEGGING for decades for a new product: A simple, basic car, with the ONLY electronic control being for: - Valve timing - Fuel injection - Oxygen and throttle - Emissions There's a market for budget and privacy oriented customers that all carmakers seem to have ignored for two decades now. Give…

I can't imagine anyone would want the car you described, for market-sized values of "anyone"

Anyone driving a car thats older than 15 years old is already driving the car that OP is describing.
Post reply on HN