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The Price of (Dev) Happiness: Part One

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Re: The Price of (Dev) Happiness: Part One

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Post by guelo »

wheels wrote: post #32

What I always find a little bit suspect about these posts – especially from FogCreek – is that it's really, "The Price of Dev Happiness As Long As You Define Happiness The Way Your Boss (Me) Does". I prefer sitting cross-legged with a 13" laptop on a mat on the floor. I've had most of the things mentioned in the article and prefer my mat on the floor, thank you very much. But I'm just a random example. More of what I…

If you are really sitting cross legged on the floor 8 hours a day I predict a lot of joint pain in your future.

Re: The Price of (Dev) Happiness: Part One

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Post by chollida1 »

rickmb wrote: post #84
nandemo wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me the main problem with laptops is the bad ergonomics.

An external keyboard, monitor and mouse. In which way does the ergonomics differ from a fixed workstation?

> In which way does the ergonomics differ from a fixed workstation?

I'm assuming she/he meant when the laptop keyboard and trackpad are used.

Re: The Price of (Dev) Happiness: Part One

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Post by mgkimsal »

gte910h wrote: post #82
edw519 wrote: post #64

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I disagree. I've had jobs where I can't think because the building is too hot, even though the work was interesting, etc. Neither of these lines are binary either. I've been on projects which were kinda, but not really interesting, etc. Lastly, your health makes that a much bigger deal. Your back starts hurting, you want a solution, which may entail a job change.

too hot? I wouldv'e committed a small crime for heat. I came in to my office in July 2007 and it was 62f. It warmed up to about 66 after I ran some space heaters. (this was in the US, not the southern hemisphere!) :)

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Post by gte910h »

mgkimsal wrote: post #93
gte910h wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. I've had jobs where I can't think because the building is too hot, even though the work was interesting, etc. Neither of these lines are binary either. I've been on projects which were kinda, but not really interesting, etc. Lastly, your health makes that a much bigger deal. Your back starts hurting, you want a solution, which may entail a job change.

too hot? I wouldv'e committed a small crime for heat. I came in to my office in July 2007 and it was 62f. It warmed up to about 66 after I ran some space heaters. (this was in the US, not the southern hemisphere!) :)

You can locally heat up a cube. There isn't really an effective cooling substitute that's localized.

I would have killed for 62F. My house is 68F year round (I work at home now). (My bedroom is probably 64-66 or so).

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Post by nfriedly »

nkurz wrote: post #90

I find it disturbing that the author of this piece is having his on-topic responses censored: richarmstrong 5 hours ago | link [dead] You are not alone. I wrote that blog post while sitting on a Humanscale Freedom Saddle Seat stool ($300). I considered getting into it about Aerons, but thought better of it. Plenty of folks here dislike them, too, and have the choice of any chair they want us to order. richarmstrong 5…

Most likely, his account got marked as spam by the automated system. I'm pretty sure PG can fix it, not sure if anyone else can.

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Post by 5hoom »

DannoHung wrote: post #61
spolsky wrote: post #45

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I love the way people on the Internet always find a way to misinterpret every post in the worst possible way, no matter how little sense they make. After reading a detailed article about how we spend over $5000 to make sure our developers are comfortable at work, do you really think that we then CHAIN them to an Aeron chair and REQUIRE that they use 30" monitors even if they prefer sitting cross-legged on the floor w…

Joel, let me introduce to a wonderful phrase: Haters gonna hate.

'Haters gonna hate' is all very cute, but seems to be interchangeable with 'I don't listen to criticism'.

Re: The Price of (Dev) Happiness: Part One

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Post by synnik »

spolsky wrote: post #45
wheels wrote: post #32

What I always find a little bit suspect about these posts – especially from FogCreek – is that it's really, "The Price of Dev Happiness As Long As You Define Happiness The Way Your Boss (Me) Does". I prefer sitting cross-legged with a 13" laptop on a mat on the floor. I've had most of the things mentioned in the article and prefer my mat on the floor, thank you very much. But I'm just a random example. More of what I…

I love the way people on the Internet always find a way to misinterpret every post in the worst possible way, no matter how little sense they make. After reading a detailed article about how we spend over $5000 to make sure our developers are comfortable at work, do you really think that we then CHAIN them to an Aeron chair and REQUIRE that they use 30" monitors even if they prefer sitting cross-legged on the floor w…

I earned a degree in Fine Arts many years ago, and one of the hardest lessons to learn was to listen to your audience. The artist always had a message to send, and the audience usually got a different message.

As the originator of any message, it is important to hear the feedback and respect that feedback. Telling your audience that they got your message wrong shows disrespect for the audience, and a misunderstanding of how communication works.

Try clarifying the message instead of dismissing the audience.

Re: The Price of (Dev) Happiness: Part One

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Post by mgkimsal »

gte910h wrote: post #94
mgkimsal wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

too hot? I wouldv'e committed a small crime for heat. I came in to my office in July 2007 and it was 62f. It warmed up to about 66 after I ran some space heaters. (this was in the US, not the southern hemisphere!) :)

You can locally heat up a cube. There isn't really an effective cooling substitute that's localized. I would have killed for 62F. My house is 68F year round (I work at home now). (My bedroom is probably 64-66 or so).

My fingers couldn't type or mouse very effectively. 100+ people worked in frigid temps so a few people on the other side of the wall could have mid 70s - the thermostat was on their side of the wall. :/
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