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Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y
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Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y
#122I used to live in Austria before Covid without a car and travel to my home country by train on weekends. I have the feeling they are doing this because they lost a lot of passengers during the epidemic. Maybe I'm wrong...
You are wrong, the idea is much older and the idea for the current version (initially called 1-2-3 Ticket) was suggested by the green party in 2013 already.
More Infos in the history (in German): https://kurier.at/politik/inland/gruene-spoe-oder-oevp-wer-h...
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#123I see a detrimental incentive here. Let me explain, and then someone please show me what I'm not getting. We're trying to incentivize public over private transit because the former emits less carbon (in general). However, public transit still costs carbon, so taking less trips total seems to be better for the environment (the "reduce" part of "reduce, reuse, recycle" - kind of). If the marginal cost to a public trans…
Taking a trip on public transit to pick up groceries (or any similar task) still consumes time and is not convenient. I used to live in Manhattan, go to the shop on foot, and carry my groceries home. I would absolutely buy as much food as I could carry and use, because it was 45 minutes out of my night that could be used for something else, whether I bought 4 days of food or a single head of lettuce. People don't gen…
> People don't generally joyride public transit unless they have no other options.
I think this really depends of the network you are talking about. In some European cities, public transit networks are a blast to use. If frequencies are high enough, and modalities are well connected, you can "ride" the city as easily and naturally on a metro/tram/bus as you would have done by walking. I've took a lot (a damn lot) of bus/trams just because they were there, passing by, and allowed me to save 3 or 4 minutes (with my annual ticket, price was never my mind).
(But I'm lucky enough to live in one of the lowest CO2 emitting countries in terms of energy mix.)
Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y
#124Next stop: Just make public transport free for all reasonably permanent residents (for example, you could get a free ticket for next year when you file your taxes). Anyone who rides public transport instead of expensive and polluting cars is doing a service for the environment.
Here in Berlin the idea floating around is to make yearly tickets very cheap (365€), while keeping prices for single travel (2.80€) or daily tickets (9.50€) more expensive. That's probably the easiest, least bureaucratic route to go. For poorer households, the yearly ticket will still be subsidized, but the public transport companies (fully owned by the state) will still have direct income to maintain a corporate-lik…
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Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y
#125The BahnCard 100 is 3000 EUR in Germany, giving you full access to all trains. Austria is 1/10th the size of Germany. By this logic, the ticket price should be 300 EUR, not 1095 EUR.
Size is irrelevant.
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#126I really want this to exist for Belgium. Right now the public transport prices are absurd here... An all year pass for just the train in all of Belgium ranges in the 10k eur/year, and there is no national metro+bus+tram access (just Brussels is 700 EUR / year for that with no access to other cities). It's absurd and caused by fragmentation of services between Flanders, wallonia and Brussels with no coordination betwe…
As an American I had always heard that public transportation was super inexpensive in essentially all of Western Europe. Is that not the case generally?
It used to be cheap. But prices have increased massively in the last decades. For example, in Stockholm the inflation-adjusted price has increased by over 200% since 2000. The price has increased much more than the price of gas which drivers complain about all the time. Politicians in Stockholm motivate raising prices with "well, it's still cheaper than in other cities so be happy!" But I suspect politicians in other cities use the exact same argument to raise their prices.
Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
> One price for the whole family Why not make it free? It's a public service after all, and it's hard to "abuse" transportation like one can use "too much" free water/electricity.
Every passenger wears on the system. It is fair that you pay a part of things you use.
Every road user also uses roads paid for by every tax payer so there's that.
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#128Not really the same scale, but I loved having an annual travel card when I lived in London. It was so freeing knowing I could basically get on anything or go anywhere without having to worry about getting the right ticket or making sure I had enough money on the Oyster card. Plus the ticket gave a third off travel outside London.
It was expensive-up front, but ended up saving so much money, especially as I could buy it via salary sacrifice before tax. Definitely recommended.
Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y
#129I used to live in Austria before Covid without a car and travel to my home country by train on weekends. I have the feeling they are doing this because they lost a lot of passengers during the epidemic. Maybe I'm wrong...
They are doing this because the green party is in the government now. This is a long-standing demand of the green party to lower CO2 emissions. They first did this in Vienna a few years ago, when they were in the city government. Now they are in the federal government and are rolling this out for all of Austria, since it was a huge success in Vienna, car travel was dramatically reduced.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Italy does this and I've always wondered how much they must lose over it. Even as a tourist, every time I saw a ticket agent get on the bus/tram, a good number of people would instantly get off. I do like the system better, it's faster in every way. But lost fares would definitely be a concern. Also not sure how that has anything to do with making public transit free honestly.
I've lived in a place with a system like this. The people who jump off were mostly students and people for whom tickets represented a significant expense. The lax rules and clearly uniformed agents were seen partly as progressive price discrimination, giving free access to public transport to those who really need it.
That sounds like the worst possible outcome - you're literally teaching that poor people either don't have to be honest or are expected to be dishonest.
I would hate to live in a society formed by that ethos...