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This article has me wondering if I’ve ever turned my phone off besides restarting it or the battery died. I’m sure I have but I bet it is very uncommon. That being said, if it were off and lost, this feature would be amazing. Apple is very transparent about it and also allows you to disable it as far as I remember. The OP has a follow up tweet that iOS 15 made their phone hot during charging. Kind of feels like they…

> This article has me wondering if I’ve ever turned my phone off besides restarting it or the battery died. I’m sure I have but I bet it is very uncommon. I turned mine off on a 6.5 hour flight when I wanted to ensure I'd have battery later and knew I wasn't going to use it for entertainment in-flight. That's really the only time I've turned my phone off in the past few years.

In my experience, airplane mode on keeps battery usage at maybe 1% per hour (if you keep the screen off). Has the advantage of being available much faster and that the phone can be used if necessary.

Because of that, I haven't switched off a phone in years (just for swapping Sim cards), airplane mode was always sufficient.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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post #46

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Yes but apparently other iPhones can also detect it and send the location just like with the AirTag even if the iPhone is turned off. That was a surprise.

Was the phone actually off or just missing a SIM card?

The latter. GC is confusing "offline" with "power off".

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

#293

“You think you really know what's going on? They passing laws where they can run up in your own home Cameras on your laptop, TV and your iPhone The battery don't come out, that means it's always on” - B.o.B., “Paper Route”, 2013 One might call him a conspiracy theory rapper. He once got in a Twitter feud with Neil deGrasse Tyson on whether the earth was flat.

But they didn't pass laws, people wanted it. No government encouraged people to buy smart speakers, consumers bought them because they liked the convenience.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

#294

His next tweet is interesting. > In other news I updated my phone to iOS 15 and put it down to charge last night. When I woke up it was hot, and my battery has gone from 100% to 15% since 7:30am. I gotta get off this ecosystem. I mean, if you have tends of thousands of photos you accumulated over the years. I bet scan of these against CP lib will take some time and battery.

Apple delayed plans to roll out CSAM scanning, so that is not included in iOS 15.

You are partially right though, in that the likely explanation for this extra power consumption is re-indexing content / rebuilding local neural networks, which use a lot of power (for a day or so, and then they're finished).

So rather than scanning your photos for CP, more likely it's scanning your photos for text or similar as part of the new Live Text feature.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

#295
post #88

But if they actually turned off power, they'd lose track of where you are. They'd lose the tracking information needed for marketing. Can't have that. Does "airplane mode" still shut off all transmitters?

The data is encrypted with your iCloud Keychain. Apple doesn't have access to it.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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post #275

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Sorry, but we have to :) We added loads of genuinely useful new features to our SaaS app over the past year, such as the ability to mute notifications, quick user-switching with a PIN, and non-exclusive user role membership, and more - despite mentioning this in our monthly user newsletter we still get peppered with support emails and feature-requests for things that already exist! Additionally our feature-usage data…

Maybe it could be opt out at the end of the first onboard/tutorial.. "Thanks, but I'll explore the software on my own from now on [x]"?

We considered it, but (in this case) the application's use-case is on shared/communual "front-line" machines (hence why we added quick-user-switching), so even though ostensibly a single, human user is logged-in, we honestly don't know who is actually using the machine, and some other user who is just borrowing a machine could easily dismiss a tour/onboarding intended for the actual user who is logged-in.

If you think that's bad, when we overhauled some incompetently written code (from a dodgy contractor before I joined) that stored passwords using reversible-encryption (ARGH!) - which was for a "feature" that allowed tenant-admins to reveal their own users' passwords (WTFBBQ!) - and switched to using correctly hashed+salted passwords we had dozens of support calls from angry/frustrated (and yet unsophisticated...) users who said they were no-longer able to login because they never bothered to remember their password, they'd just ask their tenant-admin to tell them their own password (aiaaiaiiaiaiia) and now they couldn't do it anymore. We asked why they couldn't use the forgot-password page or a magic-link to login and they said it doesn't work because they all used fake e-mail addresses for their users (*dies*) (these tenant accounts were all set-up before things were fixed, and accounts with invalid/unverified e-mail addresses were just grandfathered-in).

We do also support OIDC (we are our own IdP, as well), so to try to make things easier for our users we'll be adding O365/AzAD soon, with sign-in-with-Google (and maybe sign-in with Facebook... excuse me while I take a cold shower) so at least some users can dispense with having a separate user-account they need to remember details for.

...so things were awful, now they're just bad, and they're getting better - but things could always be worse: Our main competitor is an on-prem VB6 app that pushes data to a "cloud" (i.e. Internet-exposed) SQL Server running off a business/residential IP address with a hardcoded SQL login userID and password shared by everyone (all of their tenants!).

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...this is what the LoB software world is like. There is so much room for improvement everywhere - but all the competent uni grads join some glamorous FAANGMA company after school (well, I'm guilty of that myself...) - but I wish they'd consider un-sexy LoB software: it pays much better than FAANGMA provided you're competent and know how to negotiate. I think the LoB area gets a bad rep just because it's generally where (for want of a better phrase) less-talented people end-up which brings down the average total-comp.

I'm rambling at 3am again, ugh...

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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post #39

It's NOT an iOS 15 feature. I have an iPhone without a SIM card that I use as a test device and it happen that yesterday I left it in my backpack, together with an AirTag in the car. Shortly after I walked off, I got the AirTag notification as expected(the left behind notification). What I did not expect though, was to see the test iPhone also having an up to date location in the Find My app. That iPhone has no netwo…

Your "test iPhone" was not turned off, it just didn't have a network connection (because it has no SIM card). And yes, that has been a feature for a while – iPhones without an internet connection can still be pinged via the Find My Network. The setting you see is about being "offline", not "power off", which are different things in this context. The new feature is iPhones being able to be pinged while the power is of…

Okay, I think you are right. The power-off thing is new for the newer iPhones with iOS 15, for the older models with older iOS it's available only as "No network but power on".

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

#298

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Was the phone actually off or just missing a SIM card?

The latter. GC is confusing "offline" with "power off".

Kind of. The feature to join Find My network is there on iOS14 but to be trackable when powered-off apparently works only on iPhone 11 and up on iOS 15. Anything older will support only tracking without a network connection.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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post #212

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> Public transit and digital IDs. It sucks when phone dies and you can’t get out of a station or show your driver’s license. Yeah there's no way I'm using my phone for this stuff even if I had that option. I don't trust batteries, wireless networks and modern software enough. I do use Google Pay, but I always have the physical card just in case.

Suica on an Apple Watch is one of the most convenient things ever in the Tokyo metro or at a konbini.

Do you have to tap it on a turnstile to exit, or is there a flat fare? And is it a separate card or a clone of your physical one so they're interchangeable?

p.s. I want to visit Japan someday

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

#300

On a related, note Alarms still work even when the phone is "powered off". I get it because it's saved me once or twice. Nothing serious just reminders for various things. Overall net helpful from my view.

Until the alarm on your “powered off” iOS 15 phone goes off in the middle of the chamber music concert. I don’t understand why the “silent” switch doesn’t mean “completely silent”.

Why would you set an alarm for the middle of chamber music concert?
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