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The biggest churches in the world: Anglo-Norman eleventh-century cathedrals

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Re: The biggest churches in the world: Anglo-Norman eleventh-century cathedrals

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In order to understand how the architecture of middle ages and modern intertwined between Christian and Muslim worlds, please check this excellent video [1]. It's never ceased to amaze me by the fact that now most of the mosques now look more like Christian's Hagia Sophia and churches now looks more like Muslim Spanish Moors' Mezquita. Also it's often an oblivious fact that Norman also conquered Sicily (after Muslim'…

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Re: The biggest churches in the world: Anglo-Norman eleventh-century cathedrals

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I've studied in a city with the tallest (christian) church tower (Ulm [0]). I regularily went up the tower, there was a place where you could sit and read and contemplate. I loved it. And because there were a lot of steps, not too many people went there. The most impressive inside of a church to me was Sagrada Família which looks like being in a forrest (or in some Elven structure from Tolkien). [0] https://en.wikipe…

I thought the Sagrada Familia looked better when it was unfinished. Now it's painted, it looks like something halfway between a particularly elaborate Christmas cake and a Terry Pratchett cover from the 1990s.

I was there 25 years ago, went up one of the towers. Was a magical place even though, or perhaps because, it was very much unfinished.

Surely it still isn't finished? I thought it was expected to be finished in 2026. Do you have any urls showing the current state?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagrada_Fam%C3%ADlia

Re: The biggest churches in the world: Anglo-Norman eleventh-century cathedrals

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Don't know if anything similar exist in the UK, but the Danish national museum have a website where you can read about every single church in Denmark. [0] It is mostly scans for books released through the years, but they give a lot of nice information like what old things the church process and what kind of church it is. An example could be this 220 page pdf about the Holmen church. [1] They also have a interesting w…

Not official, and it only covers East Anglia, but I really like this site http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/churchlists.htm (and its sister sites covering Norfolk, Cambridgeshire, etc). It's just one person, who's visited churches and put up his photos and descriptions as, I think, a personal hobby site, but I really like the writing style. http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/Blythburgh.htm is probably a good example at the grander end of the scale, or at the other end http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/lwenham.htm which is a small out-of-the-way church near where I grew up, which has some surviving 13thC wall paintings.

Re: The biggest churches in the world: Anglo-Norman eleventh-century cathedrals

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In order to understand how the architecture of middle ages and modern intertwined between Christian and Muslim worlds, please check this excellent video [1]. It's never ceased to amaze me by the fact that now most of the mosques now look more like Christian's Hagia Sophia and churches now looks more like Muslim Spanish Moors' Mezquita. Also it's often an oblivious fact that Norman also conquered Sicily (after Muslim'…

Fun fact: Russian 'main' Orthodox church of Christ the Saviour looks like a cheap Taj Mahal imitation. [1]

[1]: https://img.likeness.ru/41/35/4135/1388229357.jpg

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Ken Follet's Pillars of the Earth [1] deals with this subject, the building of a cathedral in the fictitious city of "Kingsbridge" in the middle ages. It is, of course, heavily romanticised and weaves the tale of the construction of the cathedral through with a number of family tales but it nevertheless is an interesting read. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pillars_of_the_Earth

It's a fantastic read. And a great introduction to the world of cathedrals along with medieval society and its various factions. The tv show is good too!

Can't confirm. The book is good, but the show is beyond pathetic. Better not touch it.

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One thing that always amazes me was how these cathedrals were build. The techniques were amazing, even more so for the time. And then there is the way those specialized workers and architects were treated and paid. Some of that resembled modern workers rights, e.g. free weekends, limited working hours, safety. I guess it always helps to be part of very skilled, very limited group of workers that is very high demand.

I heartily recommend all Macauley books, but in this context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_(children%27s_book)

Also for a historical fiction take, Ken Follett’s “Pillars of the Earth”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pillars_of_the_Earth

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Romans took it for a while Do you mean the conquest of the 4th crusade? Those people weren't romans, arguably nobody was by the 13th century - perhaps if anyone, the locals had a better claim to it than the conquerors.

The Eastern Roman Empire fell in 1453 when the Seljuk Turks conquered Constantinople. The Ottoman Emperor's titles included Kaysar-i-Rum. I can't remember the dates but when the Greeks were conquering Crete their co-linguists described the conquerors as Hellenes while they were Romans. If you go by the criterion of (primary) self-identification there were Romans until the 1800s at least. By unbroken institutional con…

I mean, you could go further; there’s a not-totally-bonkers argument that the Catholic Church still provides continuity today.

Re: The biggest churches in the world: Anglo-Norman eleventh-century cathedrals

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Romans took it for a while Do you mean the conquest of the 4th crusade? Those people weren't romans, arguably nobody was by the 13th century - perhaps if anyone, the locals had a better claim to it than the conquerors.

There was a thing called the Holy Roman Empire. [0] An Orthodox seminary professor remarked that it was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire - so you may be onto something. Although I took a history of Christianity course in uni, it was taught by a RC priest, and there were no lessons about the crusades. You did get me curious though, maybe I'll get a book about that whole situation at the time. [0]: https://en.wik…

I’m bemused how you could possibly have a third-level course on the general history of Christianity that skipped the crusades.
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