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The biggest churches in the world: Anglo-Norman eleventh-century cathedrals

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It's interesting how much "ceremonial" buildings are important to architectural advancement. Pyramids, towers, temples, churches, cathedrals, palaces.

It's a historical oddity, when factories, shipyards, skyscrapers and other utilitarian structures surpass them.

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Ken Follet's Pillars of the Earth [1] deals with this subject, the building of a cathedral in the fictitious city of "Kingsbridge" in the middle ages. It is, of course, heavily romanticised and weaves the tale of the construction of the cathedral through with a number of family tales but it nevertheless is an interesting read. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pillars_of_the_Earth

It's a fantastic read. And a great introduction to the world of cathedrals along with medieval society and its various factions. The tv show is good too!

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post #31

It's interesting how much "ceremonial" buildings are important to architectural advancement. Pyramids, towers, temples, churches, cathedrals, palaces. It's a historical oddity, when factories, shipyards, skyscrapers and other utilitarian structures surpass them.

I think its political more than ceremonial. And you can now find the same effect in skyscrapers.

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Cathedrals are fascinating storehouses of religious and general historical knowledge. If you're ever in the vicinity of a British cathedral, taking a decent guided tour is well worth the time, as the building will likely have gone through around a thousand years of slow (or dramatic) change, intimately linked to the history of the local area. In Hereford, for instance, the font has a lockable cover to stop locals ste…

Peterborough Cathedral is very grand and beautiful, but all human figures, sculpted and painted, have their faces removed (chipped off or painted) from Reformation days.

Re: The biggest churches in the world: Anglo-Norman eleventh-century cathedrals

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Cathedrals are fascinating storehouses of religious and general historical knowledge. If you're ever in the vicinity of a British cathedral, taking a decent guided tour is well worth the time, as the building will likely have gone through around a thousand years of slow (or dramatic) change, intimately linked to the history of the local area. In Hereford, for instance, the font has a lockable cover to stop locals ste…

Winchester is another good example, with some corners of it being the original Norman building. You can see chests purportedly bearing the bones of the Saxon and Danish kings, bullet holes from the 17thC civil war in the pillars, and Jane Austen's grave.

While you're there, read up about William Walker too. An amazing story.

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In order to understand how the architecture of middle ages and modern intertwined between Christian and Muslim worlds, please check this excellent video [1]. It's never ceased to amaze me by the fact that now most of the mosques now look more like Christian's Hagia Sophia and churches now looks more like Muslim Spanish Moors' Mezquita. Also it's often an oblivious fact that Norman also conquered Sicily (after Muslim'…

>churches now looks more like Muslim Spanish Moors' Mezquita

I've never seen any church that looks like that. The only Eastern architectural plan I can think of as having been exported West is the round style of the Dome of the Rock after it became a Templar headquarter.

>obviously they had learnt a lot from the Islamic architecture that they brought and implemented the concepts to Britain and other parts of Europe

There's nothing obvious about it. I see very little, if anything, in 11th c. Romance architecture (including Norman) that isn't just a spin on previous Carolingian types.

Islamic influence North of the Alps and Pyrenees seems restricted to decorative arts and fashion.

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In order to understand how the architecture of middle ages and modern intertwined between Christian and Muslim worlds, please check this excellent video [1]. It's never ceased to amaze me by the fact that now most of the mosques now look more like Christian's Hagia Sophia and churches now looks more like Muslim Spanish Moors' Mezquita. Also it's often an oblivious fact that Norman also conquered Sicily (after Muslim'…

I've been to the Mezquita-Catedral in Cordóba. It's a fascinating building and I do agree that it sort of forms a pair with Hagia Sophia, but I'm having a hard time seeing any influences it may have had on Western church architecture.

Other than the gothic altar section built square in the middle of the building it is very much a mosque with a completely different floor plan from the typical cross-shaped churches common in Western Europe since Romanic times. Even the typical round arches were already outdated in the West at that point in time.

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The Eastern Roman Empire fell in 1453 when the Seljuk Turks conquered Constantinople. The Ottoman Emperor's titles included Kaysar-i-Rum. I can't remember the dates but when the Greeks were conquering Crete their co-linguists described the conquerors as Hellenes while they were Romans. If you go by the criterion of (primary) self-identification there were Romans until the 1800s at least. By unbroken institutional con…

1922? What institutions were that of the Empire?

The Empire of Rum [Rome], with its Kaysar [Caesar], ended in that year. The Ottoman Empire was abolished then.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Eastern Roman Empire fell in 1453 when the Seljuk Turks conquered Constantinople. The Ottoman Emperor's titles included Kaysar-i-Rum. I can't remember the dates but when the Greeks were conquering Crete their co-linguists described the conquerors as Hellenes while they were Romans. If you go by the criterion of (primary) self-identification there were Romans until the 1800s at least. By unbroken institutional con…

Sure, but if you take an even mildly expansive definition of 'Roman' then Romans just straight up built the Hagia Sophia and the crusaders of the 4th crusade are even less Roman so maybe we're mostly longwindedly agreeing?

Difference of emphasis. You seem to think the "Byzantines" were in some important sense not Roman, or that there's room for argument that they weren't. I disagree. They knew themselves as Romans for the excelent reason that they were citizens of the Empire.

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In order to understand how the architecture of middle ages and modern intertwined between Christian and Muslim worlds, please check this excellent video [1]. It's never ceased to amaze me by the fact that now most of the mosques now look more like Christian's Hagia Sophia and churches now looks more like Muslim Spanish Moors' Mezquita. Also it's often an oblivious fact that Norman also conquered Sicily (after Muslim'…

>churches now looks more like Muslim Spanish Moors' Mezquita

Have you never seen a church before??

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