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Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Running 14.7.1 and the Find My network setting says that it will enable my iphone to be found when turned off, but the power off screen does not say anything about that.

You might want to double check the text under that toggle in 14.7. I’m pretty sure it says: “Participating in the Find My network let’s you locate your phone even when it’s offline ” It don’t it says anything about what happens if your phone is off.

My mistake, you are right that is what it says.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Apple is very clear that this is how things work now. They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you of this change the first time you try to shut your device off - https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-fi... I'm not sure why this is presented as some new thing, or a gotcha or whatever this is. We've known about it for months... And IMO, it's a positive change although it does sound a little…

> They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you slightly tangential, I hate being informed of things when I try to do them. I'm in a hurry, I don't want to read all about something now. I wish the dialogs had an "email this to me, willya?" selection, with an opportunity to decide the long term setting that I want.

Same complaint for those annoying "how to use our website or Electron app" tutorials the first time you sign in or after updates.

Make help discoverable, don't ram it down our throats, please.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Apple is very clear that this is how things work now. They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you of this change the first time you try to shut your device off - https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-fi... I'm not sure why this is presented as some new thing, or a gotcha or whatever this is. We've known about it for months... And IMO, it's a positive change although it does sound a little…

I went to settings where you can toggle Find My Phone. It doesn’t say there that it’ll be findable even after I switched it off. I went to next screen it doesn’t even say it there. Then I clicked on “About Find My & Privacy..” it opened a huge T&C kinda thing text screen and I read until 3-4 paragraphs. It doesn’t mention it there either. So I think it’s a problem and Apple is anything but clear/straightforward about…

Have you tried turning your phone off? It literally tells you about this feature when you try. Not sure how much more clear Apple can be.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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This article has me wondering if I’ve ever turned my phone off besides restarting it or the battery died. I’m sure I have but I bet it is very uncommon. That being said, if it were off and lost, this feature would be amazing. Apple is very transparent about it and also allows you to disable it as far as I remember. The OP has a follow up tweet that iOS 15 made their phone hot during charging. Kind of feels like they…

There is an obvious trend on HN turning against Apple since the image hash stuff. Search 'Apple' in the last month and you'll see stories about Apple screwing over blind people, copying other people's ideas, screwing over employees, removing apps from the app store, disabling FaceID if you try to change the screen etc. From my POV (a non-Apple user) they have not changed, they have always been pretty anti-consumer. B…

Saying that the company with consumer products that consumers love is "anti-consumer" reduces the meaning of "anti" to be pretty much useless.

They might be anti-you as a consumer, but I for one very much like this feature and feel that Apple was more transparent than they needed to be in this case, so they are certainly not anti-consumer to me (a consumer).

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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Does 5 levels deep count as easy to find?

From the power off menu, it gives you a temporary off button: https://files.catbox.moe/wd48tu.png

That's like someone saying that fire is hot, but you respond with you can turn down the flame on the stove. While that may be true, you've completely dodged the original question.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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This article has me wondering if I’ve ever turned my phone off besides restarting it or the battery died. I’m sure I have but I bet it is very uncommon. That being said, if it were off and lost, this feature would be amazing. Apple is very transparent about it and also allows you to disable it as far as I remember. The OP has a follow up tweet that iOS 15 made their phone hot during charging. Kind of feels like they…

My phone has always run hot after an OS update or syncing to a new phone. My understanding is that the CPU is ramping up during that time, reindexing and the like.

Yep, a lot of it in newer updates is ML stuff (rebuilding personalized neural nets locally on your device), which obviously pegs the "neural engine" in your chip for a while.

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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For the vast majority of people in the vast majority of situations, it's a very good thing and is ideal behavior. It is only in conspiratorial "but what if nation states are tracking me" noise that this is cast as a bad thing.

People who attended the 06Jan rally and were not even on the Capitol grounds had their phones tracked. Some of them got a SWAT visit in the wee hours weeks later. It’s not so far fetched. I’ll also mention that Ćhina will find this new feature very helpful and are no doubt grateful.

Right, exactly. It's a phone. It's gonna be tracked anyway. This feature is not moving the needle when it comes to how easily you are tracked by a nation state, but it does move the needle when it comes to "finding your lost/stolen phone that is powered off".

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

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It’s almost strictly better to leave your phone home in that sort of circumstance though. Your phone looks like you stayed home all day, and you don’t need to worry about things like whether any information gets sent out despite being “off”.

Ideally yes. However, people need to communicate and coordinate. Even arranging transportation may be an issue without a phone.

If you're communicating and coordinating while out at this protest then you're being tracked, Find My isn't moving the needle...

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

#249

Apple is very clear that this is how things work now. They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you of this change the first time you try to shut your device off - https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-fi... I'm not sure why this is presented as some new thing, or a gotcha or whatever this is. We've known about it for months... And IMO, it's a positive change although it does sound a little…

> They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you slightly tangential, I hate being informed of things when I try to do them. I'm in a hurry, I don't want to read all about something now. I wish the dialogs had an "email this to me, willya?" selection, with an opportunity to decide the long term setting that I want.

Yes / No / Default now, ask me again later?

Re: iPhone remains findable after power off

#250

“You think you really know what's going on? They passing laws where they can run up in your own home Cameras on your laptop, TV and your iPhone The battery don't come out, that means it's always on” - B.o.B., “Paper Route”, 2013 One might call him a conspiracy theory rapper. He once got in a Twitter feud with Neil deGrasse Tyson on whether the earth was flat.

He is literally a flat-earther. Saying he "might" be a conspiracy theorist is giving him way more leeway than deserved.
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