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YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by Kretinsky »

I have an honest question to all of the honest people recommanding their relatives to get vaccinated:

I've had covid twice, with very mild effects (stay in bed for one day or two). I'm young, no comorbidity, not obese etc. Clearly I won't die of covid, as experimental science goes.

I'm the only provider for my family (wife, kid). If I take the vaccine and get crippled, meaning I can't work anymore, will the pro-vaccine people that recommend it pay my family a pension to compensate the financial loss caused by their advice?

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by foota »

Kretinsky wrote: post #951

I have an honest question to all of the honest people recommanding their relatives to get vaccinated: I've had covid twice, with very mild effects (stay in bed for one day or two). I'm young, no comorbidity, not obese etc. Clearly I won't die of covid, as experimental science goes. I'm the only provider for my family (wife, kid). If I take the vaccine and get crippled, meaning I can't work anymore, will the pro-vacci…

Your risks are much higher from covid than from the vaccine.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by foota »

JeremyNT wrote: post #737
ookblah wrote: post #50

Someone want to throw out there a better way to combat disinformation than just armchair criticizing their decision? I almost feel like people are siding with the anti-vaxxers out of "principle". Just a no win situation. It's too easy for bad characters to screw up an entire system with little effort (look at trolls, spammers, etc). Either you moderate everyone and slippery slope down into censorship where the tools…

> Someone want to throw out there a better way to combat disinformation than just armchair criticizing their decision? I almost feel like people are siding with the anti-vaxxers out of "principle". Social networks seem to be unable to optimize for anything other than "engagement," which inevitably leads to amplifying compelling but technically incorrect and outright dangerous content. The thing to remember is that Yo…

> So they just take the easy way out, so they can keep on doing what they do.

I don't think this is a good takeaway, they can always replace bans with deprioritizing, so banning is a conscious choice.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by TrispusAttucks »

Geee wrote: post #259
Jimmc414 wrote: post #51

The problem is that questions about the vaccine are being labeled as anti-vaccine. Real data about the side effects of the vaccine constitutes science not anti-vax propaganda. It is distressing that supporters of informed consent are being lumped in with QAnon.

I'm starting to believe in the conspiracy theory that conspiracy theories are created by a conspiracy to make rational talking points easier to attack and silence. Rational dissidents can be easily silenced if they are connected to these propaganda movements. When there's a flood of misinformation, then it's hard for anyone to get factual information out. It's a way to censor information by flooding it with adjacent…

Another related tactic now popular is:

    "Always Accuse Your Enemies of Your Own Sins"
Incredibly hard to defend against. I'll leave it to the reader to research the origin of this disgusting tactic.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by mbg721 »

foota wrote: post #952
Kretinsky wrote: post #951

I have an honest question to all of the honest people recommanding their relatives to get vaccinated: I've had covid twice, with very mild effects (stay in bed for one day or two). I'm young, no comorbidity, not obese etc. Clearly I won't die of covid, as experimental science goes. I'm the only provider for my family (wife, kid). If I take the vaccine and get crippled, meaning I can't work anymore, will the pro-vacci…

Your risks are much higher from covid than from the vaccine.

...Where both the "much" and the "than" parts are miniscule.

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Post by Tucanix »

Kretinsky wrote: post #951

I have an honest question to all of the honest people recommanding their relatives to get vaccinated: I've had covid twice, with very mild effects (stay in bed for one day or two). I'm young, no comorbidity, not obese etc. Clearly I won't die of covid, as experimental science goes. I'm the only provider for my family (wife, kid). If I take the vaccine and get crippled, meaning I can't work anymore, will the pro-vacci…

Let's just say that is an extreme unlikelihood. The risk that you would get a permanent lasting effect from covid is very large which has happened to many who have had covid, millions are not over their lasting effects. At least with the vaccine it is under someones control, designed vigorously to be safe and someone is legally responsible. If you got covid, bad luck, your problem. I don't know how it works in the US but where I live (DK) if you get some kind of bad side effect from a treatment you can get compensation very easily. I guess in the US there might be lawyers involved or I guess since you got it for free from the government that they are responsible.

Also it's still likely that if you get covid a third time that you will get a worse outcome.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by dang »

monksy wrote: post #864

For those who were keeping track: The virus is just like the flu it's not a problem . The ICUs aren't that overloaded, theres no reason to worry .. -> We shouldn't have a lock down that is this strict allow people to make decisions on their own ... -> Restaurants shouldn't be required to be closed for indoor dining .... -> Let people chose to wear the mask or not (Considering the US/CDC's terrible stance on masks tha…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28699410.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by dang »

eric_b wrote: post #855

I mean, did you even read it? It is anything but definitive. "In this narrative review, we develop an analytical framework to examine mask usage, considering and synthesizing the relevant literature to inform multiple areas" So it's an analytical framework.... let's read on "Randomised control trial evidence that investigated the impact of masks on household transmission during influenza epidemics indicate potential…

The issue is that you're breaking the site guidelines. If you want to present your analysis of studies in a way that doesn't do that, that would be much better. Not destroying the ecosystem is more important than being right.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28700178.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by HKH2 »

the-pigeon wrote: post #902
Heyso wrote: post #348

Remember Wuhan lab outbreak ? It took 9 months for mainstream media to present it as plausible (France). Before that, it was called a "conspiracy theory", synonym to a fable. What did you think happened to people speaking about it on twitter, facebook or youtube before mainstream media greenlighted this theory ?

And what did censoring the theory do? It made actual researchers and scientists shut up to not hurt their reputations. And made internet conspiracy conspiracies go crazy in all directions. I believe the more we censor vaccine information, true or not, the more hardened people will get in their beliefs. What I'd love to see is YouTube change their algorithms to promote quality content over engaging content so good inf…

They already do promote content which they consider to be good quality.
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