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Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by civilized »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #935
civilized wrote: post #917

I saw someone post an antivax video in the comments about the toxicity of the spike protein the mRNA vaccine causes the body to manufacture. If you have such concerns, read this: https://health-desk.org/articles/what-do-we-know-about-the-t... The vaccine is injected into muscle and causes a localized immune reaction. The protein doesn't really escape the muscle. So it might damage some muscle cells and capillaries, b…

>> "So far, there is no scientific evidence available that suggests that spike proteins created in our bodies from the COVID-19 vaccines are toxic or damaging our organs." Is not the same as "...is not toxic and does not damage our organs." In response you could look at this and decide maybe we're not getting the full story. Or you could look at the rampant censorship (the purpose of the OP) and decide that maybe we'…

I watched the Project Veritas video too. I noticed that the featured health care worker did not say two things she definitely would have said if they were true:

1. She did not say that there was any coercion to avoid reporting adverse events. She just said it took too long to enter the data into VAERS (30 minutes) so people weren't reporting every event.

2. She didn't say the hospital was overflowing with people suffering from vaccine side effects, or that that number was remotely comparable to the number hospitalized with COVID.

So what's the likely truth?

1. Vaccine side effects are underreported, but mostly because people are not making much of an effort to report them, not for conspiratorial reasons. This is far from new - both underreporting of relevant events and overreporting of irrelevant events are common with every medical intervention.

2. The health burden of COVID still vastly outweighs anything happening with the vaccine.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by Lochleg »

jackson1442 wrote: post #792
ohdannyboy wrote: post #290

I was hesitant for a while and the massive censorship was part of it. I got vaccinated in May and have convinced others to get the shot since the side effects, while existent, appear to be minor compared to the reduction in harmful symptoms. Talking to my doctor is what did it for me. He cleared up most of my concerns and pressed me that my remaining concerns were too nebulous to be useful. If he just said "shut up a…

> She believed that if the vaccine was actually as great as they're saying they'd be able to make more objective goalposts and win arguments instead of stopping them because the other side is too stupid to make their own decisions. The problem I see here is that the (I hesitate to call it this) anti-vax "side" has been shifting goalposts since day n-1. If you've ever talked to someone who's shifted goalposts you'll s…

Some people think that the chance of death from a vaccine is not worth it, however slight that chance is. For the young and healthy, risking catching the vaccine shouldn't be that big of a deal despite all the hype about "long covid". With the virus having been around for two years now, there's a strong argument to be made about natural immunity.

I think they knew that they had a lot of ways to make a better vaccine, and they will work on that, but I don't think it's going to be done quickly enough. So, I guess we all just have to go along with the booster shots until they "get it right". The government got heavily involved in the process, so it was bound to end up half-assed. There were people that said they would never let the government force them to take Trump's rushed vaccine. They wanted to create a disruption and a huge resistance to his efforts. Biden came along and "changed" it, and now they sing the praises of the vaccine and the unbelievable science behind it endlessly.

You have an enormous pressure to take the vaccine by the behemoth government and the people that write the paychecks. If people use one of the only avenues they have to not get forced into something they have their own reasons for not buying into, I don't really blame them. The people you argued with about the vaccine have nothing to do with ordinary people and their decisions. If I was a lowly worker, I would probably just take it because I guess I would have bigger problems.

There may not be much weight behind the anti-vaccine argument, but there's a lot to be said about better governance that probably would have involved doing things that actually work instead of having to point to things that didn't happen, especially with the angst about not enough people having complied with the emergency measures. Of course, the skeptics believe we mostly did the wrong things in a bout of panic and the need for post-hoc justification grew alongside the mass hysteria. There was the option of focused protection, yet it seems we neglected many people in care homes while the government got busy fighting windmills. We also seriously tampered with natural processes and normal lifestyles. That may have been counterproductive. We are now in a situation where there is no herd immunity, high-risk people are finding it impossible to avoid the infection forever, and we lost a lot of opportunities as the world was on pause that it everyone's life may objectively be worse than should be expected even after all this time.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by bitcurious »

beebmam wrote: post #612
gorwell wrote: post #529

“All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing institutions.” George Bernard Shaw “Freedom of expression is the matrix, the indispensable condition, of nearly every other form of freedom.” U.S. Supreme Court Justice Benjamin N. Cardozo in Palko v. Connecticut "If…

YouTube isn't the government

Note that the OP didn’t quote the First Amendment, he cited a number of powerful speeches/writings about free speech. The two are as similar as the concept of a rectangle and a piece of paper.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by swiley »

ookblah wrote: post #50

Someone want to throw out there a better way to combat disinformation than just armchair criticizing their decision? I almost feel like people are siding with the anti-vaxxers out of "principle". Just a no win situation. It's too easy for bad characters to screw up an entire system with little effort (look at trolls, spammers, etc). Either you moderate everyone and slippery slope down into censorship where the tools…

I was quiet about it until the mandate and planning to get vaccinated once everything child out.

After that I’ll die before I get vaccinated and I’ve been posting about it under my real name which is something I almost always avoid doing with non-software politics.

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Post by throwawaycities »

jackson1442 wrote: post #792
ohdannyboy wrote: post #290

I was hesitant for a while and the massive censorship was part of it. I got vaccinated in May and have convinced others to get the shot since the side effects, while existent, appear to be minor compared to the reduction in harmful symptoms. Talking to my doctor is what did it for me. He cleared up most of my concerns and pressed me that my remaining concerns were too nebulous to be useful. If he just said "shut up a…

> She believed that if the vaccine was actually as great as they're saying they'd be able to make more objective goalposts and win arguments instead of stopping them because the other side is too stupid to make their own decisions. The problem I see here is that the (I hesitate to call it this) anti-vax "side" has been shifting goalposts since day n-1. If you've ever talked to someone who's shifted goalposts you'll s…

I understand being pro Covid-19 vaccine and wanting to get it to minimize your chances at a negative health outcome if you get infected.

Also mandating certain vaccines (like MMR) makes sense because they fully inoculate a person and eradicate these diseases.

But when it comes to Covid-19 vaccines I don’t understand the insistence others get the vaccine because it doesn’t fully inoculate against the virus nor does it prevent carrying/spreading the virus.

Perhaps there is an argument that hospitals are overloaded and 100% vaccination would relieve that burden, but I’m not in favor of mandatory vaccines that don’t fully inoculate and eradicate something on the basis it might help our overburdened healthcare system. It becomes a slippery slope, and opens the door to asking why we don’t then mandate diets, supplements and lifestyles that promote healthy immune systems in the name of minimizing chronic conditions that are a financial burden to tax funded Medicare and the healthcare system generally.

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Post by Prior8Channer »

palijer wrote: post #840
mach1ne wrote: post #57

People don't see what the actual problem here is - perhaps because they don't want to see. What is happening is very much the transformation from an open society to one where freedom of speech is limited and certain other individual rights are stripped away. Perhaps not de jure, but de facto. And sure, one might argue that it's for a good cause (even though it's a complex topic). However, the fact is that as this is…

Freedom of speech doesn't mean other people have to listen or host what you say. https://xkcd.com/1357/

I really like the /pol/ version of this where they just edited in if you were of a certain race how this comic would read. Needless to say, it's wrong and everyone who agrees with that comic is wrong.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by [deleted] »

ohdannyboy wrote: post #290

I was hesitant for a while and the massive censorship was part of it. I got vaccinated in May and have convinced others to get the shot since the side effects, while existent, appear to be minor compared to the reduction in harmful symptoms. Talking to my doctor is what did it for me. He cleared up most of my concerns and pressed me that my remaining concerns were too nebulous to be useful. If he just said "shut up a…

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Post by chakkepolja »

tshaddox wrote: post #882
ohdannyboy wrote: post #290

I was hesitant for a while and the massive censorship was part of it. I got vaccinated in May and have convinced others to get the shot since the side effects, while existent, appear to be minor compared to the reduction in harmful symptoms. Talking to my doctor is what did it for me. He cleared up most of my concerns and pressed me that my remaining concerns were too nebulous to be useful. If he just said "shut up a…

It sounds like both you and your mother have both adopted an epistemology that incorporates the perceived amount of censorship, lies, and coercion performed by proponents of some claim into your discernment of the truth value of that claim. Namely, you both seem to have adopted some level of doubt about pro-vaccine claims because you both perceive that proponents of pro-vaccine claims participate in censorship, lies…

You use big words like epistemsodhjapHwo but don't really counter his fundamental thesis that if doctor had said "shut up and take it", he would be more sceptical. That's healthy scepticism.

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Post by endgame »

civilized wrote: post #917

I saw someone post an antivax video in the comments about the toxicity of the spike protein the mRNA vaccine causes the body to manufacture. If you have such concerns, read this: https://health-desk.org/articles/what-do-we-know-about-the-t... The vaccine is injected into muscle and causes a localized immune reaction. The protein doesn't really escape the muscle. So it might damage some muscle cells and capillaries, b…

Localised, huh? Then why did shot one leave me too tired to work for several days, and shot two give me lethargy and whole-body aches?

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by jawarner »

syshum wrote: post #308
mach1ne wrote: post #57

People don't see what the actual problem here is - perhaps because they don't want to see. What is happening is very much the transformation from an open society to one where freedom of speech is limited and certain other individual rights are stripped away. Perhaps not de jure, but de facto. And sure, one might argue that it's for a good cause (even though it's a complex topic). However, the fact is that as this is…

Society is regressing back to a time where idea's like those in the Pre-Enlightenment era where prevalent, hopefully we do not regress all the way back to Dark Ages, where people will stoned and hanged for defying the church... In our time "the church" will likely be replaced with a new non-theistic religion of some kind, a Technocracy of "The Experts™" and "Authoritative Sources™" who are the ones that will tell us…

That's a funny analogy to make. Didn't the Enlightenment involve the promotion of expert knowledge, a heightened value of empirical truth?
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