Also, has anyone noticed when the battery goes 0% it's actually not 0% inside?
iPhone remains findable after power off
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#202Apple is very clear that this is how things work now. They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you of this change the first time you try to shut your device off - https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-fi... I'm not sure why this is presented as some new thing, or a gotcha or whatever this is. We've known about it for months... And IMO, it's a positive change although it does sound a little…
> They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you slightly tangential, I hate being informed of things when I try to do them. I'm in a hurry, I don't want to read all about something now. I wish the dialogs had an "email this to me, willya?" selection, with an opportunity to decide the long term setting that I want.
Agreed!
The worst time to try to tell me about new features is right when I'm firing up my web meeting client to join a meeting that's about to start.
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#203His next tweet is interesting.
> In other news I updated my phone to iOS 15 and put it down to charge last night. When I woke up it was hot, and my battery has gone from 100% to 15% since 7:30am. I gotta get off this ecosystem.
I mean, if you have tends of thousands of photos you accumulated over the years. I bet scan of these against CP lib will take some time and battery.
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#204Well, unless you’re living under a rock this has been exhaustively discussed when this feature was launched.
I click every global tracking network link out there and am on HN daily and often more time than I perhaps should. This is the first I hear of it. Yeah I really need to get out from under this rock and spend more time on HN.
Well, what you want me to say?
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah I'm baffled by all of the comments saying that this is great as an anti-theft feature. I don't know where people live that that's the case, but I sure as heck have never known police in the US to give a damn about $1000 property crimes. They don't care about $20000 home robberies and car thefts, even with strong video or other evidence. I can't imagine they're going to start chasing down criminals to get a used…
In my country, the police came to my house when I dropped my wallet. I strongly believe "Find My iPhone" has made iPhones significantly less valuable on the resale market and will have reduced thefts
More specifically: Activation Lock. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201365
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah I'm baffled by all of the comments saying that this is great as an anti-theft feature. I don't know where people live that that's the case, but I sure as heck have never known police in the US to give a damn about $1000 property crimes. They don't care about $20000 home robberies and car thefts, even with strong video or other evidence. I can't imagine they're going to start chasing down criminals to get a used…
I was visiting a friend in Switzerland a few years ago, and her bag got stolen right off the back of her chair while we were in a restaurant. (The guy was quick and sneaky; by the time I ran out to the street, he was gone.) The restaurant manager called the police, and over the next 15 minutes we learned that the thief went on to try to rob the wrong person at another restaurant a couple blocks away. The intended vic…
This actually reminded me of a couple positive experiences I had with police in Mexico. They weren't sitatuations where I'd been robbed so not totally analagous, but twice I dealt with officers that were very thoughtful and helpful.
Living in the US has probably skewed my impressions of police generally.
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know I feel Apple really got worse than the competition. It started with "You are holding it wrong.", horrible keyboards, "you need to use USB-C for everything, except our iphones come with lighting + old USB cables", to charge your mouse you need to plugin the cable on the bottom etc. That's kind of standard. Yet, the recent moves: Snitch Software that works against the user with a worldwide localization net…
This is sort of more of the same as what I was saying. Android phones have horrible hardware flaws and they don't gain much attention. At the same time as "You are holding it wrong" Nexus 5x phones where bricking due to bad NAND chips. Nexus 6P phones where crashing due to battery issues similar to the iphone but they did not throttle the phone and left it to crash. Samsung had phones that would explode in to firebal…
Apple should have fixed these things with their iron grip on their production line. They shouldn't have had malfunctioning GPUs or CPU's shorting because they're too close to the display's power line, and they certainly shouldn't have dragged out the USB-C transition on iPhone so long. But they have, and it's always the same bullshit excuses that nobody wants to hear from the most powerful company in the world. These devices start to lose their 'magic' once you understand how the sausage is made (and at what cost), so I think criticism of them is perfectly warranted. Imagine how silly you'd look 15 years ago if you tried arguing that Microsoft didn't have a browser monopoly, or even today if you tried defending Facebook for 'trying their hardest'. It's all lip-service when your company is thousands of people large.
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
From the referenced tweet thread about someone finding this out for the first time: In other news I updated my phone to iOS 15 and put it down to charge last night. When I woke up it was hot, and my battery has gone from 100% to 15% since 7:30am. I gotta get off this ecosystem. "My phone's battery life has suddenly become much worse" sure sounds like a major impact to me.
That has nothing to do with this change. It doesn't even seem like they had their phone turned off for this to be in play anyway. The most likely answer is that they hit a bug in the new update or that they placed their phone off centered on a wireless charger. I'm not sure why the general public should care about rare bugs in day one updates which get patched pretty quick anyway. The turned off pings use an ultra lo…
> … placed their phone off centered on a wireless charger.
No. The phone got charged. That’s made clear in the quote. Something is draining it post-charge.
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#209Umm, isn’t this, like maybe, a good thing? If I want my very expensive iPhone found, I want it found whether it is on or off. If people are worried about being tracked maybe they should carry around a device that is always broadcasting radio signals to third party towers.
For the vast majority of people in the vast majority of situations, it's a very good thing and is ideal behavior. It is only in conspiratorial "but what if nation states are tracking me" noise that this is cast as a bad thing.
I personally just think it has a harmful effect on the metaphor of being "off". For the longest time, a device being 'off' was synonymous with being unplugged or unpowered, rendered fully nonfunctional. We worked really hard to build the metaphor of 'sleeping' devices to compliment this, and I think letting Find My run while a device is sleeping is perfectly fine. I worry for the end user though, who now has to tabulate the capabilities of their device in their head every time they power off.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know I feel Apple really got worse than the competition. It started with "You are holding it wrong.", horrible keyboards, "you need to use USB-C for everything, except our iphones come with lighting + old USB cables", to charge your mouse you need to plugin the cable on the bottom etc. That's kind of standard. Yet, the recent moves: Snitch Software that works against the user with a worldwide localization net…
This is sort of more of the same as what I was saying. Android phones have horrible hardware flaws and they don't gain much attention. At the same time as "You are holding it wrong" Nexus 5x phones where bricking due to bad NAND chips. Nexus 6P phones where crashing due to battery issues similar to the iphone but they did not throttle the phone and left it to crash. Samsung had phones that would explode in to firebal…
yes, aggree with you on the hardware.
yet, what's new for me is the combination of not caring about security, scanning on your phone (not in the cloud) and implementing a world wide localization network.
the road to hell is plastered with good intentions ...