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YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by dude4you »

jackson1442 wrote: post #792
ohdannyboy wrote: post #290

I was hesitant for a while and the massive censorship was part of it. I got vaccinated in May and have convinced others to get the shot since the side effects, while existent, appear to be minor compared to the reduction in harmful symptoms. Talking to my doctor is what did it for me. He cleared up most of my concerns and pressed me that my remaining concerns were too nebulous to be useful. If he just said "shut up a…

> She believed that if the vaccine was actually as great as they're saying they'd be able to make more objective goalposts and win arguments instead of stopping them because the other side is too stupid to make their own decisions. The problem I see here is that the (I hesitate to call it this) anti-vax "side" has been shifting goalposts since day n-1. If you've ever talked to someone who's shifted goalposts you'll s…

For me, the other side is shifting goalposts.

I could not get vaccinated in Germany. Every illegal immigrant could get vaccinated but I as a German citizen, since I was not registered with the police, (some countries have this, for a US citizen this sounds weird) could not.

Ok, caught corona in south America in the Andes mountains and had serious breathing problems but survived.

I have a biotech background and I am sorry to break the news to you. Vaccinations won't make corona go away. I fact it may force it to adapt faster.

So why should I get vaccinated now? I dislike all the government pressure that is put on citizens in this regard.

An the parties in Sao Paulo are back on. No masks. Germany is not considering Brazil even as a high risk country anymore.

So why the force for vaccinations? Freedom won't come back except if the Citizens demand it.

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Post by dude4you »

monksy wrote: post #864

For those who were keeping track: The virus is just like the flu it's not a problem . The ICUs aren't that overloaded, theres no reason to worry .. -> We shouldn't have a lock down that is this strict allow people to make decisions on their own ... -> Restaurants shouldn't be required to be closed for indoor dining .... -> Let people chose to wear the mask or not (Considering the US/CDC's terrible stance on masks tha…

Ok, take the vacc. (I would have taken it if had been offered it before I got corona.)

Ok. Then what? What will happen? Corona goes away? Seriously? Corona is here to stay my friend.

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Post by balozi »

YouTube's business model is based on the free speech rights that have been secured by flesh-and-blood citizens for 245 years. The same benefits they don't see fit to extend to those citizens. They are like a beverage bottling company that draws clean water upstream before dumping their toxic waste back into the same river downstream.

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Post by goatlover »

deelowe wrote: post #134

Of course it will. Welcome to the new propaganda. Same as the old propaganda. Free speech is the act of standing up for those who you disagree with simply because you believe they have the right to be heard. In today's world of "woke" content creators, everyone seems to miss this point. What started out as fairly clear cut issues such as racism and homophobia has now bled into grey areas around vaccines and gain of f…

I'm not standing up for people who spread conspiracy theories about an ongoing pandemic. I hope they get deplatformed.

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Post by b7bfcdeaab33 »

jackson1442 wrote: post #792
ohdannyboy wrote: post #290

I was hesitant for a while and the massive censorship was part of it. I got vaccinated in May and have convinced others to get the shot since the side effects, while existent, appear to be minor compared to the reduction in harmful symptoms. Talking to my doctor is what did it for me. He cleared up most of my concerns and pressed me that my remaining concerns were too nebulous to be useful. If he just said "shut up a…

> She believed that if the vaccine was actually as great as they're saying they'd be able to make more objective goalposts and win arguments instead of stopping them because the other side is too stupid to make their own decisions. The problem I see here is that the (I hesitate to call it this) anti-vax "side" has been shifting goalposts since day n-1. If you've ever talked to someone who's shifted goalposts you'll s…

> Oh, but it's also not FDA approved.

FDA's announcement https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download

Point to the sentence that says the vaccine got approved.

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Post by Thuggery »

beebmam wrote: post #612
gorwell wrote: post #529

“All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing institutions.” George Bernard Shaw “Freedom of expression is the matrix, the indispensable condition, of nearly every other form of freedom.” U.S. Supreme Court Justice Benjamin N. Cardozo in Palko v. Connecticut "If…

YouTube isn't the government

In the time when the 1st amendment was written (which is not a holy document that decides all morality. Nor is the U.S. the center of the universe) corporations as we understand them did not really exist. The people that were concerned about free speech could only conceive a hostile government of King George could really suppress them and the people willing to hear their dissident ideas. They were rich local gentlemen that had public squares and private meeting rooms. It did not occur to them that they could be silenced by the local placard maker forming a cabal that would deny any attempt to express themselves.

Times have changed and the public square is dead.

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Post by judahmeek »

eric_b wrote: post #855

I mean, did you even read it? It is anything but definitive. "In this narrative review, we develop an analytical framework to examine mask usage, considering and synthesizing the relevant literature to inform multiple areas" So it's an analytical framework.... let's read on "Randomised control trial evidence that investigated the impact of masks on household transmission during influenza epidemics indicate potential…

Try https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-mask... then

Abstract: https://www.poverty-action.org/study/impact-mask-distributio...

Actual paper: https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publicati...

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Post by asdff »

crocodiletears wrote: post #238

At this point I'm not hesitant about the vaccine, but getting it would only validate the heavy-handed approach we're seeing wrt censorship.

When have internet websites where the public can comment on not been heavily moderated? It's been like that since forums came out. HN is also heavily moderated, it keeps the weeds out of the garden.

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Post by Thuggery »

ryandrake wrote: post #359

A little off topic, but I wish we could stop using this nice-sounding "hesitant" euphemism. Hesitant implies that people are weighing options and open to changing their minds. With the amount of time they have been available and the overabundance of evidence that the COVID vaccines are safe, effective, and that they decrease hospitalizations and death, I find it very hard to believe that anyone is still "on the fence…

> overabundance of evidence that the COVID vaccines are safe, effective, and that they decrease hospitalizations and death

"evidence" that comes from tightly controlled information sources with clear non-truth oriented motivations, that can only accept one answer, and suppres all contrary evidence and discourse? Well if Pravda and the Party tell us the injection is a must and safe too then who could ever doubt it?

I was (and am?) "vaccine hesitant." I am vaccinated now, though it was probably unnecessary since I already had it. I'm really starting to wonder what exactly they injected into me and almost regret it. These are not the actions benevolent actors with nothing to hide.

FYI what pushed me over he edge was a combination of discomfort (wanted to occasionally re-engage with nightlife without worry and guilt), time, local community that I trusted more getting it, and some people in particular I wanted to meet up with that were particularly anal about covid fears.

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Post by JohnWhigham »

Loughla wrote: post #114
mach1ne wrote: post #57

People don't see what the actual problem here is - perhaps because they don't want to see. What is happening is very much the transformation from an open society to one where freedom of speech is limited and certain other individual rights are stripped away. Perhaps not de jure, but de facto. And sure, one might argue that it's for a good cause (even though it's a complex topic). However, the fact is that as this is…

I genuinely don't get it. YouTube, a private entity and not a government entity, is saying they don't want certain content on their platform. This is not the end of your free speech. This isn't really even a movement away from free speech. It's YouTube exercising their right to freedom of speech by not allowing what they believe to be harmful or disagreeable on their platform. They already do this with other categori…

I find it hilarious that in recent years, people on the left have started using the "don't like it? make your own! ;)" reply after it exclusively being a right-wing thing (e.g. telling people "don't like the USA? then leave"). Especially since both sentiments come from the same root: being out of a legitimate argument.
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