These people act like mRNA vaccines are 100% understood and there is no room for debate
YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content
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#382A little off topic, but I wish we could stop using this nice-sounding "hesitant" euphemism. Hesitant implies that people are weighing options and open to changing their minds. With the amount of time they have been available and the overabundance of evidence that the COVID vaccines are safe, effective, and that they decrease hospitalizations and death, I find it very hard to believe that anyone is still "on the fence…
>I find it very hard to believe that anyone is still "on the fence" about it.
>And there it is--this doesn't sound like a person who is weighing their options in good faith. It sounds like someone who is already convinced of what the truth is.
Pot, meet kettle.
Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content
#383I think we have to ask if this won't have a chilling effect on open discussion by moderate voices. I'm subscribed to the channel of an M.D. on YouTube who discusses COVID-19, vaccines, etc. He is very careful to (repeatedly) point out that he is vaccinated, he has personally vaccinated hundreds of patients, he encourages everyone to speak to their doctor and follow their recommendations, believing that the vaccine is…
The stifling seems to be by design, or at the very least it's being considered acceptable collateral damage. Our modern censorship infrastructure does not see minority voices as legitimate.
That infrastructure may not even be capable (as evidenced here) of allowing for minority voices or any form of nuanced dissent, because it has been outsourced to a combination of incompetent "AI" (or dumb algorithms) as well as underpaid, understaffed, undertrained humans.
We are reaping the benefits of tech companies prioritisation of "scale" above all else.
Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content
#384So big tech have become the holders of "truth". I don't care whose legitimacy they claim, governments are not the holders of truth either, and science changes daily. Suppressing freedom of information is not alright.
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#385A little off topic, but I wish we could stop using this nice-sounding "hesitant" euphemism. Hesitant implies that people are weighing options and open to changing their minds. With the amount of time they have been available and the overabundance of evidence that the COVID vaccines are safe, effective, and that they decrease hospitalizations and death, I find it very hard to believe that anyone is still "on the fence…
I'm not sure I entirely agree.
There are people getting vaccines for the first time every day right now. Somehow they came around.
Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content
#386So is Joe Rogan gone from Youtube? Or only his "only fat people need to get the vaccine" videos are going to be banned? I wonder what other companies like Spotify would do to the big influencers that are spreading misinformation, etc.
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#387The problem is that questions about the vaccine are being labeled as anti-vaccine. Real data about the side effects of the vaccine constitutes science not anti-vax propaganda. It is distressing that supporters of informed consent are being lumped in with QAnon.
The real data is that the common side effects are negligible and the serious side effects are exceedingly rare.
Over 6 billion doses have been administered since they were first given early this year. Even if you were waiting for the "guinea pigs" to experience side effects, that point has long passed. There is no massive die off. No massive set of complications. I work in a building where over 90% of the people have received two doses of Pfizer. In April. Everyone here has three arms, six toes, and a glorious horn, just like they're supposed to.
If you aren't convinced by now, you're not supporting "informed consent" you're conflating "being a contrarian" with "being concerned".
Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content
#388At this point I'm not hesitant about the vaccine, but getting it would only validate the heavy-handed approach we're seeing wrt censorship.
Dude read that back to yourself and think about it for just 5 seconds.
"Validate" it how exactly. This is just like a child folding his arms and saying "well now I'm not doing it" because somebody asked them to. It's the same attitude that has left hundreds of thousands pointlessly dead, because owning the libs is more important than self-preservation.
Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content
#389A little off topic, but I wish we could stop using this nice-sounding "hesitant" euphemism. Hesitant implies that people are weighing options and open to changing their minds. With the amount of time they have been available and the overabundance of evidence that the COVID vaccines are safe, effective, and that they decrease hospitalizations and death, I find it very hard to believe that anyone is still "on the fence…
But lots if these people DO change their minds. I have a relatively small circle of in-person family and friends, and five of the six hesitant people in that group are now covid vaxxed. There are those who will accept no evidence, but most of the "hesitant" aren't in that group.
Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content
#390My wife is very vaccine hesitant, and every time they make a move like this to block content or take it down, it only strengthens her position. She thinks they’re taking it down because they don’t want people to know the truth. The only thing worse than bad ideas is the suppression of bad ideas. It’s tragic that we knew this at some point, but are going to have to figure it all back out again the hard way.
She might just die. I recently convinced a coworker to get the vaccine, and she did. And four weeks later contracted Covid-19, probably the delta variant, lost her taste and slept for 5 days straight. Had she not had the vaccine, it's quite likely she would now be dead.
How likely would she to be dead? I encourage everyone to get vaccinated if they can, but even without vaccination the CDC estimated the fatality rate at only 0.6% for the population as a whole. We should take this seriously but exaggerating the risks isn't helpful.
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