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YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by typon »

Y_Y wrote: post #2

I kind of get it. Punching someone outside a boxing ring is pretty much always a bad move. A funny video where the funny part seems to be an unsuspecting person getting punched may "encourage violence". (I don't feel this way, but I could understand the reasoning.) The cat is out of the bag on this one though. So much so, that I'd argue the video now has cultural and historical significance that justifies its wanton…

There are literally millions of videos of street fights and sucker punches on youtube. Do they really intend to remove every single one of those videos?

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by BostonFern »

darkwater wrote: post #12
hammock wrote: post #6

The fact that people continue to be surprised by actions like this, betrays a lack of understanding of how content moderation works, and a willful lack of education on the part of YouTube. This video was taken down because 2 or 3 people reported it in short succession. Those reports flagged it for review by a human moderator, who removed it. If it had never been reported, it would have stayed up. If no one ever repor…

> The 14 years it was up doesn't mean YouTube reviewed it previously and decided to keep it. You cannot possibly know, unless you work on YT moderation in Google. Also, moderation rules might vary over the years, so it might have even been checked once per year and survived for 14 years, til now. The real issue here is that nobody outside an internal Google team has voted on these policies.

Isn't the real issue that no one knows how they work?

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by brezelgoring »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #23
jordemort wrote: post #5

At this point, Google is pretty much the fae folk of tech: immensely powerful beings with inscrutable motives and mercurial dispositions, inclined to rain ruin on your head at the slightest provocation or even just on a whim. Best to leave a saucer of milk out for them at night, and studiously avoid the areas they control if you value your anything.

Headcanon accepted. The fae are notoriously afraid of iron, and harmed by merely touching it. What's the equivalent for Google?

Copyright law.

Don't even need to prove you own your target video, just claim it and boom, you get what you want (redirect monetization to your MCM, takedown the video, etc).

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by mindslight »

plainnoodles wrote: post #7

This isn't a great specific example (it's "just" a meme and not even a particularly culturally significant one in the grand scheme of things), but in general this is why projects like youtube-dl are important. It might not be glamorous, and it might be a little stupid, but damnit this is our culture, for better or worse! And we should preserve it. Private companies seem to be the only ones with the resources to store…

> Private companies seem to be the only ones with the resources to store all the video content we produce

Definitely not. It's an addressing problem. I guarantee plenty of people have the youtube video downloaded with more redundancy than Google, and the OP even has the source files. The problem is that Youtube became the canonical URL for referencing the video, assuming singular power to control that address based on the flawed protocol of http(s), and now there's going to be a lot of strife and damage as we readjust at a higher level.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by DelightOne »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #13
plainnoodles wrote: post #7

This isn't a great specific example (it's "just" a meme and not even a particularly culturally significant one in the grand scheme of things), but in general this is why projects like youtube-dl are important. It might not be glamorous, and it might be a little stupid, but damnit this is our culture, for better or worse! And we should preserve it. Private companies seem to be the only ones with the resources to store…

I also lost access to a most beautiful poetry recitation from an older fellow who has passed. In hindsight, I wish I was more active in saving videos.

It should be automatic.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by robin_reala »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #23
jordemort wrote: post #5

At this point, Google is pretty much the fae folk of tech: immensely powerful beings with inscrutable motives and mercurial dispositions, inclined to rain ruin on your head at the slightest provocation or even just on a whim. Best to leave a saucer of milk out for them at night, and studiously avoid the areas they control if you value your anything.

Headcanon accepted. The fae are notoriously afraid of iron, and harmed by merely touching it. What's the equivalent for Google?

Ad blockers.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by h_anna_h »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #23
jordemort wrote: post #5

At this point, Google is pretty much the fae folk of tech: immensely powerful beings with inscrutable motives and mercurial dispositions, inclined to rain ruin on your head at the slightest provocation or even just on a whim. Best to leave a saucer of milk out for them at night, and studiously avoid the areas they control if you value your anything.

Headcanon accepted. The fae are notoriously afraid of iron, and harmed by merely touching it. What's the equivalent for Google?

What about competition?

Or well, not acting evil.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by shadowgovt »

revolvingocelot wrote: post #18
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are confusing Youtube with a NGO. Google is a for profit company. Their mission is to make money, not to archive the internet. They are not your friend. Nor anybody's friend.

See, I'd have thought that everybody tacitly understood that YouTube's scale has redefined presentation of videos over the Internet and as a consequence is the premier video archive for all of Humanity. This doesn't erase their fiduciary duties, but it does attenuate them -- archiving and presenting videos (to show ads) is actually how the money is made. But I'll bite -- I'm a credulous idiot who's confused YouTube f…

By itself, it doesn't.

In the large, YouTube's terms of service are structured around retaining an audience (both in terms of individual and institutional choice... Without a TOS that at least nominally says what constitutes offensive content, businesses and schools block access to YouTube and that decreases viewership which decreases revenue potential). They are also structured around being a hospitable place for advertising, and advertising (in particular brand advertising) gets real gun-shy on spending dollars on content that might be significantly off the bead from "wholesome."

Whether or not this video in particular violates the TOS is debatable (though having never heard of this before this link on Hacker News, my naive read on it is that it's simple violent aggression and a display of unadulterated physical violence, which generally doesn't pass the TOS for graphic violence... "Content featuring anything listed above where the viewer is not given enough context to understand that the footage is dramatized or fictional").

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by revolvingocelot »

jwmhjwmh wrote: post #25
revolvingocelot wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See, I'd have thought that everybody tacitly understood that YouTube's scale has redefined presentation of videos over the Internet and as a consequence is the premier video archive for all of Humanity. This doesn't erase their fiduciary duties, but it does attenuate them -- archiving and presenting videos (to show ads) is actually how the money is made. But I'll bite -- I'm a credulous idiot who's confused YouTube f…

> So how did deleting this make YouTube money? I assume they remove "violent" videos to appease advertisers. In this case, they did not consider the value of the video being removed, instead prioritizing the safety of the content with respect to the advertisers.

Thanks for the assumption, it clarified a lot about what you think about the situation.
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