wtf?! is this true of 5s as well?
iPhone remains findable after power off
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Re: iPhone remains findable after power off
#12Apple is very clear that this is how things work now. They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you of this change the first time you try to shut your device off - https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-fi... I'm not sure why this is presented as some new thing, or a gotcha or whatever this is. We've known about it for months... And IMO, it's a positive change although it does sound a little…
Yeah, there's a reasonably visible message "warning" you of this, which has a prompt to turn it off.
I actually thought this was very old, added a year or so ago. I guess it got delayed?
I've had two phones stolen (right out of my hands) that were immediately shut down and sim cards ejected to prevent them from being tracked. While I'm sure this feature wouldn't help me get back a phone, I hope it does deter this.
Edit: I think this was announced back in 2019 WWWDC https://www.wired.com/story/apple-find-my-cryptography-bluet... ?
Re: iPhone remains findable after power off
#13Umm, isn’t this, like maybe, a good thing? If I want my very expensive iPhone found, I want it found whether it is on or off. If people are worried about being tracked maybe they should carry around a device that is always broadcasting radio signals to third party towers.
No. A device thats "off" should be "off" 100% of the time. When the device wakes it realizes it's been stolen, only then should it reach for home. This behavior can/will only be exploited by hostile nations and other bad actors.
Then turn it off. Personally I’d like it on.
Re: iPhone remains findable after power off
#14Umm, isn’t this, like maybe, a good thing? If I want my very expensive iPhone found, I want it found whether it is on or off. If people are worried about being tracked maybe they should carry around a device that is always broadcasting radio signals to third party towers.
No. A device thats "off" should be "off" 100% of the time. When the device wakes it realizes it's been stolen, only then should it reach for home. This behavior can/will only be exploited by hostile nations and other bad actors.
I guess that's why it's an option, with (IMHO) a reasonable default of being enabled.
It's a useless feature against theft if it can just be turned off the thief.
Re: iPhone remains findable after power off
#15Umm, isn’t this, like maybe, a good thing? If I want my very expensive iPhone found, I want it found whether it is on or off. If people are worried about being tracked maybe they should carry around a device that is always broadcasting radio signals to third party towers.
Maybe you don't want to be tracked sometimes, and you expect turning off your device to turn it off.
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Re: iPhone remains findable after power off
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe you don't want to be tracked sometimes, and you expect turning off your device to turn it off.
What situation are you going, "I don't want big tech to be tracking me right now"?
Given the prevalence of geofence warrants nowadays, I don’t think the situation needs to be especially nefarious in nature. Perhaps you don’t want to be scrutinized just because you and 370 others were within 300 yards of a crime occurring?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/16/geofence-war...
Re: iPhone remains findable after power off
#17Apple is very clear that this is how things work now. They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you of this change the first time you try to shut your device off - https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-fi... I'm not sure why this is presented as some new thing, or a gotcha or whatever this is. We've known about it for months... And IMO, it's a positive change although it does sound a little…
Maybe they started showing the warnings recently, but this practice was in place for at least a few years.
I remember reading an article by a journalist who was on a trip and his iPhone died. Later he discovered it still logged his locations, not only when off, but when dead (I assume the iPhone is designed to shut off with some juice left)
Re: iPhone remains findable after power off
#18Apple is very clear that this is how things work now. They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you of this change the first time you try to shut your device off - https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-fi... I'm not sure why this is presented as some new thing, or a gotcha or whatever this is. We've known about it for months... And IMO, it's a positive change although it does sound a little…
Agreed. Of all the messiness in iOS's settings app, it's honestly pretty easy to find the setting to turn this off (iCloud > Find My > Find My network). The Twitter thread almost reads like someone who's trying to not understand what's happening.
Not to mention the fact that there's a reminder of this setting every time you turn your phone off, which can be tapped to disable this behavior.