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YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by JshWright »

josh_today wrote: post #38

“ YouTube will ban any videos that claim that commonly used vaccines approved by health authorities are ineffective” So speaking truth can get me banned from YouTube? • Infections happen in only a small proportion of people who are fully vaccinated, even with the Delta variant. When these infections occur among vaccinated people, they tend to be mild. • If you are fully vaccinated and become infected with the Delta v…

Is there a typo in your comment? Claiming that the vaccines are "ineffective" is not "truth". As you point out, infections happen in only a small portion of the fully vaccinated population. That is, by definition, "effective".

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Post by thriftwy »

mc32 wrote: post #10
pyronik19 wrote: post #5

Trust the science...or else.

Except we’re not allowing Sputnik V travelers in the country despite science…

One have to admit this is a major anti-vax move being performed by USA and EU.

If the government get to discriminate which vaccines are good and which are not, why their citizens won't do the same, even if they leave the 'good' bucket empty?

When I travelled to South America I had to do "the" vaccine shot (yellow fever I believe), but nobody would inquire me "which one" and whether it is on some white list.

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Post by mariodiana »

ookblah wrote: post #50

Someone want to throw out there a better way to combat disinformation than just armchair criticizing their decision? I almost feel like people are siding with the anti-vaxxers out of "principle". Just a no win situation. It's too easy for bad characters to screw up an entire system with little effort (look at trolls, spammers, etc). Either you moderate everyone and slippery slope down into censorship where the tools…

"Misinformation" should not be combatted by anything other than better, more persuasive information.

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Post by ihsw »

ookblah wrote: post #50

Someone want to throw out there a better way to combat disinformation than just armchair criticizing their decision? I almost feel like people are siding with the anti-vaxxers out of "principle". Just a no win situation. It's too easy for bad characters to screw up an entire system with little effort (look at trolls, spammers, etc). Either you moderate everyone and slippery slope down into censorship where the tools…

Many people siding with "anti-vaxxers" are anti-mandate pro-vaccine activists. If they were given a voice in the current conversation then there would be a lot fewer disagreements.

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Post by mypastself »

kristofferR wrote: post #19

This is so dumb, vaccine proponents doesn't have anything to hide (like censoring information from vaccine opponents gives the impression of).

It does play into the vaccine opponents’ belief they’re being victimized.

It’s also getting more and more difficult to look up their arguments, if only for the purpose of developing and reasoning about the counterarguments.

Finally, it can lead to banning legitimate questions, such as the ones about alternative origin theories.

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Post by IgorPartola »

mach1ne wrote: post #57

People don't see what the actual problem here is - perhaps because they don't want to see. What is happening is very much the transformation from an open society to one where freedom of speech is limited and certain other individual rights are stripped away. Perhaps not de jure, but de facto. And sure, one might argue that it's for a good cause (even though it's a complex topic). However, the fact is that as this is…

Yes our freedoms are being eroded. It’s a slippery slope. All that bullshit.

Come on. A private company doesn’t want to contribute to people dying. Oh and by the way don’t they have the right to do what they want? You want what, regulation to prohibit this?

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josh_today wrote: post #38

“ YouTube will ban any videos that claim that commonly used vaccines approved by health authorities are ineffective” So speaking truth can get me banned from YouTube? • Infections happen in only a small proportion of people who are fully vaccinated, even with the Delta variant. When these infections occur among vaccinated people, they tend to be mild. • If you are fully vaccinated and become infected with the Delta v…

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Post by OJFord »

afavour wrote: post #40

Time for repeat showing of the free speech debate we’ve already had a dozen times, whoopee! As ever, IMO, the problem isn’t the hosting or the banning, it’s the algorithms. I don’t care whether YouTube hosts anti-vaccine activists, I care that they actively promote anti-vaccine content to users simply because it’s proven to get clicks and earn them money. Bans like this look incredibly stupid when you realise YouTube…

> proven to get clicks and earn them money

Aren't they already 'demonetised' (as Youtube terms its withdrawal of adverts and hence money)?

I agree though, simply not recommending them (i.e. you can be linked to them, or get them from search results only) would be better.

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

IgorPartola wrote: post #76
mach1ne wrote: post #57

People don't see what the actual problem here is - perhaps because they don't want to see. What is happening is very much the transformation from an open society to one where freedom of speech is limited and certain other individual rights are stripped away. Perhaps not de jure, but de facto. And sure, one might argue that it's for a good cause (even though it's a complex topic). However, the fact is that as this is…

Yes our freedoms are being eroded. It’s a slippery slope. All that bullshit. Come on. A private company doesn’t want to contribute to people dying. Oh and by the way don’t they have the right to do what they want? You want what, regulation to prohibit this?

Youtube doesn't give two shits about people dying. They care about not drawing the ire of advertisers or legislators.

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Post by mach1ne »

josh_today wrote: post #38

“ YouTube will ban any videos that claim that commonly used vaccines approved by health authorities are ineffective” So speaking truth can get me banned from YouTube? • Infections happen in only a small proportion of people who are fully vaccinated, even with the Delta variant. When these infections occur among vaccinated people, they tend to be mild. • If you are fully vaccinated and become infected with the Delta v…

>• Infections happen in only a small proportion of people who are fully vaccinated, even with the Delta variant. When these infections occur among vaccinated people, they tend to be mild.

And this is the actual misinformation. Recent study done in the UK with 100k subjects randomly sampled from the population found that two vaccines only reduce the amount of infections by about 55%: https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/english-study-finds-50-60-r...

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