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Re: Winter is coming

#32
post #9

I don't agree with much of this for two reasons... 1. The bubble for already funded companies burst in the 90s but that didn't dry up funding. The truth is a wealthy person's best bet in a down economy is a small startup. Because the potential upside is so much better than any other investment. A company like Y Combinator can literally fund hundreds of startups and as long as at least one has a significant payday at…

No idea why people downvoted you... It usually doesn't make sense for a startup to borrow a significant amount of money in a currency whose value is dropping. I disagree with this though. Depreciating currency is awesome if you've got debt financing, because all of the value of your debt drops, but you only lose the value of the money you haven't spent yet. OTOH, it might be bad because uncertainty about depreciation…

You're also paying the debt back with "cheaper" dollars.

Re: Winter is coming

#33
post #18

Its funny that in 2008 - we see posts like "RIP Good Times" - http://techcrunch.com/2009/10/06/r-i-p-good-times-one-year-l... - and yet nothing - fundamentally - came of it. I'm sure Sequoia's companies left that meeting - scared, sacked a bunch of employee's, cleaned out the closest - and the VC's were happy because the capital lasted longer ensuring no more dilutions for themselves and a "trimmer" business even if…

FYI http://www.debtclock.com.au/ shows Australia with $68 billion in debt and rising. That's much better than the US, not in the black, either. Given Australia's much smaller population, this works out to $7,889 per capita. Compare to USA $46,780 per capita. Country's headed in the wrong direction, mate. Same direction as the USA, I'm afraid.

not really - focusing on this figure is somewhat non-nonsensical and spreads FUD albeit other than to keep prudent awareness of it. The difference between Aus and USA - is our net growth far outweighs the debt we owe and therefore we are relatively liquid if we needed to double-down on this debt. Further, much of our debt has been localed in foreign currencies - which are now all depreciated against the AUD - which is seen as a relatively safe currency given the USA downgrade. I don't propose to know when this will revert. Further, the regulation of our financial institutions has typically been quite tight through judicial activism and aggressive regulation. Unfortunately [for the world] - Wall St wasn't to the same degree. My personal view is that Governments should not adopt fiscal policy which encourages surplus - a responsible government is adopted to spend money on essential services - not carry on for political gain that it is in "surplus'. It should be net-neutral.

Anyway, Feel free to browse this document - http://www.treasury.gov.au/documents/1496/PDF/01_Debt.pdf

"A government’s balance sheet comprises both assets and liabilities. This article has demonstrated that only considering gross debt can result in an incomplete picture of public finances. By taking into account assets the public sector owns, a more accurate view of a government’s ability to respond to economic conditions can be determined.

This article has shown that Australia has undergone several periods of debt accumulation, followed by periods of fiscal consolidation. Periods of strong economic growth following episodes of debt accumulation have helped support relatively quick improvements in the public sector’s net debt position. Australia has a low level of net debt both historically and when compared with G-7 economies."

Re: Winter is coming

#35
Check out my counter-argument:

Why are startups hot now? Not because the economy is good or because the startup ideas people are having are particularly good, but because risk seeking investors are trying to shove capital anywhere they can.

After the crash of 2008 lots of avenues (created by Wall Street post Financial Modernization Act) to invest this capital were closed, and the growth of the startup scene, particularly the NY startup scene, is a direct result of this. Couple this with a real negative interest rates and you have a nice long boom period where startups are the best thing going for investors who are getting free money (via negative interest rates) to gamble with.

Why will this continue? Exactly the same reason why Yahoo is still in business and why Microsoft is still profitable. There is tremendous room for innovation, growth, and all the improvements associated with those things.

Soon joe.sixpack@yahoo.com will wake up and start demanding more and more web innovation, and the void will be filled by startups doing clever, lucrative, disruptive things. I personally can't believe that anyone can tolerate using Yahoo for anything... and I'm stunned that people tolerate 2 hour battery life Android phones, Windows Vista, etc. The problems (areas for improvement) are far deeper than most tech-savvy people (such as on HN) can imagine, and the population (thanks mostly to Facebook) is slowly waking up to what it actually wants to do online.

To borrow the OP's metaphor, we're in the very early dawn of a beautiful, early spring day, etc. This will occur at least until the cost of borrowing increases substantially.

Also, anyone who thinks we have an information economy in 2011 will look back in a few decades and laugh.

Re: Winter is coming

#36
post #4

From "The Godfather", about the cycles in their "industry": MICHAEL How bad do you think it's gonna be? CLEMENZA Pretty goddamn bad. Probably all the other Families will line up against us. That's alright -- this thing's gotta happen every five years or so -- ten years -- helps to get rid of the bad blood. Been ten years since the last one.

that's a well fitting comment for the startup ecosystem, 256 contender?

Re: Winter is coming

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop nitpicking. Did you run out of things to do at your startup?

Educating people is what my startup does.

Then you should google "funding certainty" to see that it is widely used. Just because you don't relish using slightly oxymoronic phrase doesn't mean others don't

Re: Winter is coming

#38

Check out my counter-argument: Why are startups hot now? Not because the economy is good or because the startup ideas people are having are particularly good, but because risk seeking investors are trying to shove capital anywhere they can. After the crash of 2008 lots of avenues (created by Wall Street post Financial Modernization Act) to invest this capital were closed, and the growth of the startup scene, particul…

This is a good point, the meta comment is that post 2008 a lot of changes were put into place snd so this 'crash' has different things going on than the last 'crash'. Its this action, where the system responds to booms and busts which makes predicting the future from past events difficult at best, and completely non-useful typically.

I have talked with folks who have investment capital that is 'stuck' which is to say they have money they have allocated to the 'high risk' portion of their portfolio and yet fewer options for investing it. And while YC is a startup incubator, I also see it as a VC incubator. I would expect some of the folks who are successfully investing small amounts into a bunch of companies will begin to want to make slightly bigger bets and that will push them out of YC into a more VC like situation.

The original article's message that things go in cycles, and you need to be able to deal with that, is spot on. And in times of high volatility only the folks who have that sort of risk/reward profile that startups offer want to play (the more conservative investors are worried that their 'moderate' risk capital is at risk and so they double down on those bets taking all their high risk capital off the table). More startups chasing fewer dollars, means a more competitive environment. But that being said, startups take time to get from concept to launch, cycles take time to go from down to up. The absolute best time to start a company is just before the end of the winter.

Re: Winter is coming

#39
I'm not so sure. I think the broader economic forces may help tech companies rather than hurt.

No matter what happens, America (and the world) will still have a lot of very wealthy people and institutions. Those people need to put their money somewhere. The stock market is scary, bonds and banks don't pay anything. If you had $100 million tomorrow to invest what would you do with it? I'd start looking for startups.

10% unemployment seems bad to us, relative to our more historical 5%, but Europe has dealt with that for decades. People still buy iPhones and sign up for Netflix. Even if the market for new services is reduced by a few %, the quality of new services will more than make up for it.

Rich people will still want to make money and startups will still be an appealing way to do it.

Re: Winter is coming

#40
post #39

I'm not so sure. I think the broader economic forces may help tech companies rather than hurt. No matter what happens, America (and the world) will still have a lot of very wealthy people and institutions. Those people need to put their money somewhere. The stock market is scary, bonds and banks don't pay anything. If you had $100 million tomorrow to invest what would you do with it? I'd start looking for startups. 1…

I would invest in gold. No hassle. No risk since every country is printing money and putting savers at risk. Doubled in price in dollar in two years thus far.
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