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Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by numpad0 »

Johnny555 wrote: post #17

An OPSEC violation has once again made a case for why using TikTok should be a punishable offense in the military, It's not clear why TikTok is singled out here, this could just has easily been posted to Facebook or Instagram or one of the other myriad of social media platforms, or pushed automatically to someone's open photo album in the cloud. If OPSEC is important, don't let people bring their personal camera phon…

> If OPSEC is important, give people secure phones for shitposting to auditable on-prem private social.

FTFY. Don’t understand why militaries don’t.

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Post by 4ggr0 »

analognoise wrote: post #219
nelsondev wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is China incompatible with liberal democracies? internally of course, the authoritarian politics are incompatible. But in international relations, they’ve traded been trading with liberal democracies for decades. So what’s the incompatibility?

Communists don't have a great reputation for peace.

I wonder why the bad things the US does internationally never get blamed on capitalism, yet when people write or vent about China it's always about these darn Communists. Are these after-effects of the red scare?

China is an authoritarian dictatorship with their own flavour of communism I guess. Blaming everything they do on commmunism as a whole is very uninformed.

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Post by croon »

publicola1990 wrote: post #163
wahern wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak for the author or to popular anti-China narratives in the U.S., but from a traditional geopolitical perspective China poses a threat because of territorial claims independent of Taiwan, most importantly its claims over the South China Sea. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_So... Those claims pose a grave threat directly to…

But is China really threating the US directly in anyway through military confrontation? Taiwan, China sea matters are localised to the close neighborhood of China. Does the US desire peaceful coexistence with China or not? Reading some of the hawkish, cold war style jingoism coming out of US media makes one wonder?

The "close neighborhood of China" would significantly grow and envelope unwilling countries if unscrutinized.

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Post by LatteLazy »

Johnny555 wrote: post #17

An OPSEC violation has once again made a case for why using TikTok should be a punishable offense in the military, It's not clear why TikTok is singled out here, this could just has easily been posted to Facebook or Instagram or one of the other myriad of social media platforms, or pushed automatically to someone's open photo album in the cloud. If OPSEC is important, don't let people bring their personal camera phon…

China panic >> Common Sense or effective policy.

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Post by tut-urut-utut »

Bayart wrote: post #228
bildung wrote: post #213

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> Those claims pose a grave threat directly to global shipping and to regional fishing and mining rights, and indirectly to the largely peaceful maritime waters status quo globally. European here, so this may be caused by selective reporting in different regions of the world, but here news is equally often about US military presence in the South China Sea. Looking at a globe and seeing the distance between US homelan…

Despite the name and what the CCP wants, the South China Sea is not Chinese. The US maneuvers to keep it international waters, so do we Europeans. The US has every tight to sail however it wants in international waters, so do the Chinese.

If Chinese sent aircraft carriers 20 miles of Los Angeles, I'm pretty sure USA would react very harsh.

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Post by foerbert »

bildung wrote: post #213
wahern wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak for the author or to popular anti-China narratives in the U.S., but from a traditional geopolitical perspective China poses a threat because of territorial claims independent of Taiwan, most importantly its claims over the South China Sea. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_So... Those claims pose a grave threat directly to…

> Those claims pose a grave threat directly to global shipping and to regional fishing and mining rights, and indirectly to the largely peaceful maritime waters status quo globally. European here, so this may be caused by selective reporting in different regions of the world, but here news is equally often about US military presence in the South China Sea. Looking at a globe and seeing the distance between US homelan…

My understanding is that when it comes the US maneuvers in international waters of the South China Sea, the purpose is actually defensive. Part of international maritime law determining the owner of waterways includes considerations for actual control of areas.

By navigating international waters against China's wishes, the US is demonstrating to the international community that China does not control access to those waters. This prevents China from making claims that those waters should no longer be international and instead be China's.

So this isn't the US going off to provoke China (or if you still wish to see it so, at least not for no reason). This is the US exercising rights granted by international treaties in order to prevent China from making effectively false claims to those waters under those same treaties.

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Post by _kbh_ »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #187
livinginfear wrote: post #149

I'm surprised that there's only one other person in this thread discussing the possibility that this is a deliberately coordinated release of information by the military. I've never worked for the US military, however I doubt that if you're working in close proximity to classified hardware they just let you loose with a smartphone in your hand. The person filming this would surely have been easily identifiable, and s…

It’s either misinformation or they really don’t care who sees that object. I think it’s likely the latter.

I think its pretty likely they don't care, otherwise they have other options then testing it in literal broad daylight, uncovered in a RCS site that has construction happening.

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Post by tremon »

eloisius wrote: post #214
nelsondev wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is China incompatible with liberal democracies? internally of course, the authoritarian politics are incompatible. But in international relations, they’ve traded been trading with liberal democracies for decades. So what’s the incompatibility?

An increasing desire and capability to export their illiberal practices abroad. For example, using their weight to prevent the Dalai Lama from speaking at foreign universities. It’s naive to think that an even more powerful China wouldn’t continue to suppress free speech abroad as much as it does at home.

How is what China does to the Dalai Lama any worse than what the US does to Julian Assange? Isn't it equally naive to assume that an even more powerful USA wouldn't continue to summarily execute people abroad as much as it already does?

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Post by baybal2 »

kbenson wrote: post #156
falcolas wrote: post #144

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Given that fitbits and their ilk have exposed the specific locations and layouts of airbases, perhaps they should be a bit more careful with what technology they use, even in their offtime.

Checking them in at a locker at the edge of base is probably sufficient, at least for an airbase. It's not like you can actually hide those in the days ubiquitous satellite imagery, right? For some other types of facilities, maybe check them in off-site somewhere before you transport people in (because otherwise how secret can it be if you can just follow someone's car?). Letting people transmit GPS coordinates while…

Not that.

For example you can easily guess everything about ones family members, his work schedule, browsing history, ruffle his personal email/facebook — stuff that often gets mixed with work correspondence, financials, home location, other gadgets, other people in his first circle — people often meet with other servicemen off duty.

A lot in other words.

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