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Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by freeflight »

> An OPSEC violation has once again made a case for why using TikTok should be a punishable offense in the military

This could have happened with literally any social media platform.

Yet the consequences demanded out of this apparently solely focus on "Chinese government-affiliated platform" and how people in the military should be punished for merely using it.

How is that gonna fix the actual problem? Right, it wouldn't, even with TikTok banned from the phones of all military personnel, they have literally dozens of alternatives with which they can do the very same OPSEC oopsie.

Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by dcow »

Johnny555 wrote: post #17

An OPSEC violation has once again made a case for why using TikTok should be a punishable offense in the military, It's not clear why TikTok is singled out here, this could just has easily been posted to Facebook or Instagram or one of the other myriad of social media platforms, or pushed automatically to someone's open photo album in the cloud. If OPSEC is important, don't let people bring their personal camera phon…

The slant I picked up on is that Chinese authorities operating TikTok is the problem because the president can’t just dial Zuck and say “take that shit down immediately or else”. But in general I agree and find the slant annoying. I do think there is some discussion point buried in here about whether or not it’s strategic for the US to build dependencies on foreign software services… but… not sure if it’s a productive one at the moment. It is really kinda orthogonal to OPSEC.

Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by dogma1138 »

tw04 wrote: post #5
tablespoon wrote: post #2

The area where the video was taken looks like it was from a construction site (trenches, rebar, and 2x4s visible). Was it taken by a contractor that was part of a crew pouring concrete and saw something cool? Also, given it was out in the open in broad daylight, I'm assuming a spy satellite could have gotten a picture. I wonder if one way to deal with this is just make a lot of plausible cool-looking decoys.

I may be underestimating our adversaries but I’d imagine we know exactly where all of their satellites are at all times and could just wait to pull it out until a window of clear skies (I don’t think they have 24/7 coverage of the entire United States) There are already restrictions on our civilian satellites taking high res pictures of our military installations.

That’s about right, also Russia only has 2 high high resolution recon satellites in orbit right now https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona_(satellite)

The previous generation Kobalt ones have been retired since 2015 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yantar-4K2M

China has quite a few Yaogan optical satellites in orbit but they are much smaller than the Russian and US ones and are about the same size as commercial EOSs and thus much more limited.

China does launch a fuckton of them tho often 3-4 at the time on a single rocket however I would bet that their military usefulness at this level of detail is rather limited. They are probably around the same class as the Israeli satellites which means that they’ll be sufficient for strategic intelligence about facilities and large developments but won’t have anywhere near the resolution that the space telescopes pointed downwards class satellites have.

Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by freeflight »

yellow_lead wrote: post #19
Johnny555 wrote: post #17

An OPSEC violation has once again made a case for why using TikTok should be a punishable offense in the military, It's not clear why TikTok is singled out here, this could just has easily been posted to Facebook or Instagram or one of the other myriad of social media platforms, or pushed automatically to someone's open photo album in the cloud. If OPSEC is important, don't let people bring their personal camera phon…

TikTok is singled out here because it was where it was shared. The author would likely also agree to other social media use being banned in the military. >If OPSEC is important, don't let people bring their personal camera phones (or smart glasses or camera enabled watch or whatever other personal surveillance people choose to carry) near whatever you're trying to protect. 100%

> The author would likely also agree to other social media use being banned in the military.

Yet the author demands that people should be punished for merely using TikTok, not all social media, even if its use doesn't compromise OPSEC in any way.

Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by systemvoltage »

freeflight wrote: post #21

> An OPSEC violation has once again made a case for why using TikTok should be a punishable offense in the military This could have happened with literally any social media platform. Yet the consequences demanded out of this apparently solely focus on "Chinese government-affiliated platform" and how people in the military should be punished for merely using it . How is that gonna fix the actual problem? Right, it wou…

That’s the rhetoric. They’re not stupid. They probably already have many measures but they’ll take a serious look at preventing all cellphones from entering the compound now.

Publicly they’ll condemn Tiktok.

Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by darwingr »

Not just on TikTok, I saw it on YouTube clips from outside the USA. I've know people who've worked on such bases and have heard how strict they were with orders to stop and look away or at the ground when an alarm went off. Well I was pretty surprised to see it and like others, the thought crossed my mind that it wasn't an accident. Furthermore, it looked familiar...I think I saw another diagram picture about a year ago, possibly on a military-tech YouTube channel, possibly by an eastern-european creator. There was discussion at the same time that the next generation was not just approved but already created.

Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by [deleted] »

freeflight wrote: post #24
yellow_lead wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok is singled out here because it was where it was shared. The author would likely also agree to other social media use being banned in the military. >If OPSEC is important, don't let people bring their personal camera phones (or smart glasses or camera enabled watch or whatever other personal surveillance people choose to carry) near whatever you're trying to protect. 100%

> The author would likely also agree to other social media use being banned in the military. Yet the author demands that people should be punished for merely using TikTok, not all social media, even if its use doesn't compromise OPSEC in any way.

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Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by TheDudeMan »

dcow wrote: post #22
Johnny555 wrote: post #17

An OPSEC violation has once again made a case for why using TikTok should be a punishable offense in the military, It's not clear why TikTok is singled out here, this could just has easily been posted to Facebook or Instagram or one of the other myriad of social media platforms, or pushed automatically to someone's open photo album in the cloud. If OPSEC is important, don't let people bring their personal camera phon…

The slant I picked up on is that Chinese authorities operating TikTok is the problem because the president can’t just dial Zuck and say “take that shit down immediately or else”. But in general I agree and find the slant annoying. I do think there is some discussion point buried in here about whether or not it’s strategic for the US to build dependencies on foreign software services… but… not sure if it’s a productiv…

Getting pictures deleted from the internet is not a thing. Doesn't matter if you are the president or Zuck.

Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by fidesomnes »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #15
908B64B197 wrote: post #9

Reminds me of the American's reaction to Soviets spies stealing shuttle plans to copy it with the Buran. Long story short, they made sure the soviets found "updated schematics" with hidden flaws and design defects. [0] Maybe someone is playing the same game here... [0] https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna18686550#.WFF7CqIrKuU

Then again the US Space Shuttle was super expensive for what it did. Maybe having the Soviets copy the Space Shuttle was enough to lead to the collapse of their economy.

No that was the result of the lack of profit motive in state industries and the geopolitical failure of the invasion of Afghanistan. Neither mistake is made by China.
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