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Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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What about the pilots? I always get this fuel on my hands during preflight when sumping the fuel tanks.

Maybe pilots should be required to lick a block of lead before each flight, so they have some incentive to stop using leaded fuel.

With almost no exceptions, pilots have exactly zero say in what fuel to use. Airplanes are certified to use certain fuels and that's what you have to use. At this point there is no generally approved unleaded replacement for 100-octane avgas (although several are in testing.)

A few engines, mostly low performance ones, have the option to use automobile gas, but even in those cases it's rarely available at airports so it's not really an option either.

Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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What about the pilots? I always get this fuel on my hands during preflight when sumping the fuel tanks.

Lead doesn't absorb through the skin. You have to breathe or eat it. As long as you thoroughly wash your hands after preflight, the only exposure should be the fumes and exhaust in the air.

No, tetraethyl lead, which is the form of lead found in fuel, is easily absorbed through the skin.

Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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A lady named Tamara Rubin has spent years testing household products and other commonly handled objects for lead. She uses an XRF tester, which is the gold standard for high accuracy lead testing. She has thousands of items listed, from dishes to door hardware to childrens toys, and a lot of these will put a family at high risk of lead poisoning. There's some woo-y stuff on her website, but her XRF data is a gold min…

I think it can depend on other factors too. For example, lead crystal drinkwater is considered safe as long as you aren't leaving the liquid in there for long periods of time. It's possible that's similar to the dishes.

Stuff like leaded fuel exhaust or paint flakes are more likely to be ingested/absorbed.

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My wife and I are particularly concerned about lead, especially since there is no way to really cure lead poisoning. Any house built before the 1980s could have lead in it, with varying degrees of concern for children. Around the home here is what we found are sources of lead to worry about (or not): - Paint: lead was banned in paint in 1979, but lead was used less and less even before the cutoff date. Paint is espec…

For plumbing specifically you _also_ have to worry about every link in the chain from your house to the water source. Perhaps non-intuitively just knowing if there are lead pipes because they can develop a protective sediment layer that prevents the lead from touching the water. Anecdotally, we had a major city water line project in our neighborhood that _raised_ our lead levels because it disturbed that sediment pro…

I'm specious that any sediment/crust that formed in an old water system may contain very high levels of lead. I think that may be what happened in Flint MI. Changed the PH of the water and all that lead started leaching back into the water.

Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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You can treat it with chelation or EDTA. The drugs bind to lead and your body clears it out via the kidneys. Works well if you catch it early. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/lead-poisonin...

Does that reverse the brain damage?

No, obviously not it just strips lead out of you bloodstream and cells.

Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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You can treat it with chelation or EDTA. The drugs bind to lead and your body clears it out via the kidneys. Works well if you catch it early. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/lead-poisonin...

If you only find out later, is it any use at all? I found out my drinking water had low levels of lead, for about ten years.

Not a doctor, but my understanding is that low levels of lead are most impactful on children. Using chelation on adults with low levels of lead may create more problems than it solves.

Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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My wife and I are particularly concerned about lead, especially since there is no way to really cure lead poisoning. Any house built before the 1980s could have lead in it, with varying degrees of concern for children. Around the home here is what we found are sources of lead to worry about (or not): - Paint: lead was banned in paint in 1979, but lead was used less and less even before the cutoff date. Paint is espec…

You can treat it with chelation or EDTA. The drugs bind to lead and your body clears it out via the kidneys. Works well if you catch it early. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/lead-poisonin...

Is there a similar treatment for mercury?

Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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A lady named Tamara Rubin has spent years testing household products and other commonly handled objects for lead. She uses an XRF tester, which is the gold standard for high accuracy lead testing. She has thousands of items listed, from dishes to door hardware to childrens toys, and a lot of these will put a family at high risk of lead poisoning. There's some woo-y stuff on her website, but her XRF data is a gold min…

I think it can depend on other factors too. For example, lead crystal drinkwater is considered safe as long as you aren't leaving the liquid in there for long periods of time. It's possible that's similar to the dishes. Stuff like leaded fuel exhaust or paint flakes are more likely to be ingested/absorbed.

This is why the swabs are an important tool in addition to the XRF. If the swab turns red, then by definition it's wiping mobile lead from the surface of the object you're testing.

Using electrical cords as an example, years ago I went through my house and swabbed all of the cords. If I found a cord that turned a swab red, I either threw the thing away if it was cheap, like an old coffee grinder, or I replaced the cord if I didn't want to replace the whole machine, like the cords on all of our Oreck vacuum cleaners.

A lot of newer cords have lead in the insulation as indicated by XRF, but won't turn a swab pink. These I don't worry about too much, but I still tell the kids to wash their hand after handling them.

EDIT:

The LeadCheck swabs are pretty expensive, and using a whole swab for just one or two objects is ridiculously wasteful, but I have a trick that makes them cheap. I cut the cotton head off of a Q-tip cosmetic swab so that it's just a rolled paper rod. I activate the LeadCheck swab and squeeze out a drop of the liquid onto the upright surface of the swab. I dab the end of the decapitated Q-tip in the liquid, and I use that to swab the surface of whatever I'm testing. If something turns the paper red, I clip the end of the shaft off with nail clippers to get a fresh end, and continue to the next object.

I can get dozens of tests out of a single swab this way. I make a list of things to test in one afternoon, and I can get the whole pile done for the cost of a single swab, instead of spending hundreds of dollars it would take to use a new LeadCheck swab for each object.

Plus, the hard paper Q-tip shaft works better for aggressively rubbing on surfaces.

Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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Topics like this bring modern attitudes about identity to a tricky spot. A common view is that you aren't defined by XYZ, you can choose your identity and who you are or what you do. In reality, things like lead poisoning have a very powerful and undeniable impact on who you are and what you can do, e.g. > Slow development of normal childhood behaviors, such as talking and use of words, and permanent intellectual dis…

I can't speak for the "woke" in general, but regarding medical conditions and their prevalence depending on racial origin: there's worlds of difference between defining what credit risk somebody is based on their skin color and informing people that skin color may be a correlative indicator that the resources should be invested to test their genetics for known maladies. The first is a crime in the United States, and…

> that skin color may be a correlative indicator that the resources should be invested to test their genetics for known maladies

You're right, but people are still starting to call this racism. I've been in the meetings where HR hammered home the point, and I quote "race is a social construct with no biological meaning". And some our software is supposed to support medical fields :(

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