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Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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My wife and I are particularly concerned about lead, especially since there is no way to really cure lead poisoning. Any house built before the 1980s could have lead in it, with varying degrees of concern for children. Around the home here is what we found are sources of lead to worry about (or not): - Paint: lead was banned in paint in 1979, but lead was used less and less even before the cutoff date. Paint is espec…

You can treat it with chelation or EDTA. The drugs bind to lead and your body clears it out via the kidneys. Works well if you catch it early. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/lead-poisonin...

Does that reverse the brain damage?

Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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My wife and I are particularly concerned about lead, especially since there is no way to really cure lead poisoning. Any house built before the 1980s could have lead in it, with varying degrees of concern for children. Around the home here is what we found are sources of lead to worry about (or not): - Paint: lead was banned in paint in 1979, but lead was used less and less even before the cutoff date. Paint is espec…

You can treat it with chelation or EDTA. The drugs bind to lead and your body clears it out via the kidneys. Works well if you catch it early. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/lead-poisonin...

If you only find out later, is it any use at all?

I found out my drinking water had low levels of lead, for about ten years.

Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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My wife and I are particularly concerned about lead, especially since there is no way to really cure lead poisoning. Any house built before the 1980s could have lead in it, with varying degrees of concern for children. Around the home here is what we found are sources of lead to worry about (or not): - Paint: lead was banned in paint in 1979, but lead was used less and less even before the cutoff date. Paint is espec…

> Any house built before the 1980s could have lead in it,

Which essentially means its normal for everyone except some people born in the last 20-30 years.

Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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How big a concern is lead in adults, and is there anything that can be done about long run exposure to lower levels?

I live in Montreal, and found out the city pipes in my area had lead. So I've been drinking it about ten years; have bottled water now.

My understanding is that chelation is good for acute exposure but wasn't sure it's recommended for lower levels. Now do I know if this is actually something to be concerned about, at low levels in an adult.

I had the city worker do a measure without flushing: 16 ug/L

(I drink bottled water now so there's no ongoing exposure. I also can't be sure my old places had it, so it could have just been for two years that I was exposed, but likely was for ten)

Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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It's not nearly as symmetric as you're making it out to be. In terms of overall welfare, an additional dollar in the pocket of a typical union worker is going to be more welfare enhancing than that additional dollar in the pocket of the typical owner. This is from just basic diminishing marginal utility of the dollar. Of course , unions can do awful, evil things - they are organizations of people and people are petty…

I think OP made a correct argument that that we quickly make this right vs left without dissecting the actual impacts of workers unions. Your comment kind of demonstrates that. > In terms of overall welfare What is overall welfare ? If you are talking about society then we already know that free market competition leads to the best outcomes. If you are talking about welfare of specific group of people (at the expense…

> If you are talking about society then we already know that free market competition leads to the best outcomes.

Who's “we”? I was under the impression that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_failure was accurate.

Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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> In terms of overall welfare, an additional dollar in the pocket of a typical union worker is going to be more welfare enhancing than that additional dollar in the pocket of the typical owner. This is from just basic diminishing marginal utility of the dollar. Remarkably few people seem to truly understand what "marginal propensity to consume" actually means. Economically, money saved is money lost. Money invested i…

I'll admit while I'm inclined to believe that it's better to distribute money to workers rather than investors, I don't understand the economic mechanics that makes this true. I do understand that the rich aren't gong to spend as much as the middle and lower classes, but I don't have a good answer for the predictable trickle-down rebuttal: the wealthy will invest rather than spend, and that investment funds jobs whic…

The difference between investment and spending is whether you have more or less money afterwards.

Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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My wife and I are particularly concerned about lead, especially since there is no way to really cure lead poisoning. Any house built before the 1980s could have lead in it, with varying degrees of concern for children. Around the home here is what we found are sources of lead to worry about (or not): - Paint: lead was banned in paint in 1979, but lead was used less and less even before the cutoff date. Paint is espec…

Sources outside the home include avgas which is the largest source for lead in the atmosphere https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/leaded-gas-wa...

Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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Don't forget the soil in your yard, even if the house was built yesterday the soil could still have lead contamination from leaded gasoline.

UK suburban soil can also be bad as people used to throw fireplace ashes in their gardens, which can concentrate contaminants. I ate from my home allotment for years until a neighbour told me he had recently tested his soil and found it heavy with lead and other rubbish.

did he find a way to de-pollute ?

Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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How about Chicago: > The biggest reason is that essentially Chicago and other cities around Illinois required the use of lead service lines all the way until 1986, long after it was recognized that lead was poisonous and other cities had stopped using it. A decade after other cities had stopped using it Chicago and other cities in Illinois were not only using it but requiring the use of lead long after everybody else…

Not only that, but it's really difficult to get the service line replaced even if you're willing to pay for it. We went through the exercise a few years ago. It can be difficult to find a plumbing service willing to do this kind of work because not only do they need a special certification (makes sense) but the company has to put up something like a $5000 bond on their work with the city. On top of that replacing the…

That's incredible. What sort of levels do you have to put up with? Is there any kind of monitor you can install to detect a spike?

Re: Half of American kids have lead in their blood, doctors say

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It's shameful the EPA still hasn't banned leaded aviation fuel.

There is progress on the front to find a viable replacement fuel: https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2021/july/27/ga...

Without a workable (technically and legally) replacement fuel, banning 100LL was never going to be viable IMO.

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