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Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by shadowfaxRodeo »

matkoniecz wrote: post #173
shadowfaxRodeo wrote: post #69

Removing webRequest's blocking will completely destroy my web extension. It helps people get work done by blocking website's they're addicted to. I've just started out on a new version, not sure what to do.

Develop it for Firefox and recommend people to remove Chrome as part of using it? Though it has Leechblock already.

I have a firefox version, and a safari one in the works. It has about 50 users on firefox and 1500 on chrome.

It works a bit differently to most content blockers, you can take a look here if you're interested:

https://prodtodolist.com

Anyway, the whole point is to allow people to get out of addictive loops, to take control of how they use the web, and most people aren't that tech savvy — they deserve to not be addicted to facebook too.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by JohnWhigham »

joelthelion wrote: post #114

I don't understand why this (and all the rest) is not driving people back to Firefox. Are we really going to wait for Mozilla to die, and then lament that Google has taken over the web?

Firefox will always be around in some form subsiding off Google scraps to give Google plausible deniability regarding browser monopoly.

If Firefox does implode, it will be because of Mozilla's garbage leadership/product vision, not market conditions.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by krono »

melbourne_mat wrote: post #154

Brave has ad blocking built in - you don't need extensions.

Brave is just crypto adware, they even went so far as to automatically append crypto exchange referral codes to urls [0]

Funded by Palantir Technologies by the way [1]

Their ad rewards system analyses and modifies the original webcontent, replacing existing ads with their own (and who knows what other code they inject) [2]

Then there's their hidden tracker URL whitelist [3]

No thanks.

[0] https://twitter.com/cryptonator1337/status/12692014801055784...

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/fe37ml/exclusive_b...

[2] https://brave.com/brave-launches-user-trials-for-opt-in-ads/

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19129309#19129642

Edit: Nearly forgot about their partner promo headers that they can and do update on the fly https://laptop-updates.brave.com/promo/custom-headers

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by jraph »

Torwald wrote: post #145
lazybreather wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make this happen and I am going to do my best to publicize this. On the other hand, chrome is making it increasingly tough to use any other browser by sheer intuitive and useful features. Grouping tabs for eg. I know other would do it one day. But there is a lag. I wonder why other browsers (OSS) do not straight up copy any good features and release. Assuming there is good enough dev resources. Or is it really that h…

Grouping tabs is already possible in Vivaldi. There are also FF extensions, who offer alternative concepts. I think TabTree or something like that it is called.

You are probably thinking of Tree Style Tab.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by jefftk »

nottorp wrote: post #44
irjustin wrote: post #37

For me (I imagine a lot of others as well), it's simple. If Chrome removes adblock, I'm going back to Firefox. HN ilk don't represent a good target market. Can't really make money off traditionally tracked ads off of us. FWIW, I love Chrome, still do. I've been here since those entirely useless but super viral and catchy speed test ad/vids. It worked on me. I love the debugger as a web developer, more so than Firebug…

I don't see the point in using an ad blocker but running Chrome. It's not like Google would allow the ad blocker to filter their own tracking. Sadly, the only option seems to be Firefox and the niche browsers.

Ad blockers on Chrome block Google's ads too. The ad script doesn't even run, so it's not getting as far as collecting any data.

(I work on ads at Google, speaking only for myself)

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by innocenat »

jraph wrote: post #183
innocenat wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have attempted to move to Firefox twice: once 12 years ago and once 8 years ago (probably, I don't really remember exact time). I know, Firefox has come a long, long, long way since then, but the same were also promised 8 years ago, and it turn out Firefox cannot handle my use case well to the point of almost being unusable. (That said, my use case are definitely not normal) It's a lot of effort to move everything:…

8 years ago, Firefox 25 was released. I don't know your needs but a lot as changed underneath. Notably, Firefox is now using multiple processes, the Javascript engine is probably a lot faster, the web engine too. I don't like every change, especially the latest revamp of the UI, but it is still the best browser for me. You could try, and them move if conclusive? If you consider switching anyway. Moving everything bef…

As I said, I was bitten twice. It's hard to even try now. Back then I try for a few week before committing, but when I move my session (of 200+ tabs) onto Firefox, it's dead.

And back then I was told the exact same thing I was told this time, too.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by innocenat »

vlod wrote: post #186
innocenat wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have attempted to move to Firefox twice: once 12 years ago and once 8 years ago (probably, I don't really remember exact time). I know, Firefox has come a long, long, long way since then, but the same were also promised 8 years ago, and it turn out Firefox cannot handle my use case well to the point of almost being unusable. (That said, my use case are definitely not normal) It's a lot of effort to move everything:…

Maybe just dip your toe in? It's okay to use Chrome for X and FF for Y. i.e. Use it exclusively for HN (say for a few weeks) and see how it goes.

Not going to help when my session is 200+ tabs. Previously it's dead after moving my main session.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by innocenat »

ryukafalz wrote: post #184
innocenat wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have attempted to move to Firefox twice: once 12 years ago and once 8 years ago (probably, I don't really remember exact time). I know, Firefox has come a long, long, long way since then, but the same were also promised 8 years ago, and it turn out Firefox cannot handle my use case well to the point of almost being unusable. (That said, my use case are definitely not normal) It's a lot of effort to move everything:…

You can't get even an idea of whether or not it'll work for you without switching over completely?

I said I did twice? Both of them f*cked me up completely.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by jefftk »

shadowfaxRodeo wrote: post #69

Removing webRequest's blocking will completely destroy my web extension. It helps people get work done by blocking website's they're addicted to. I've just started out on a new version, not sure what to do.

Is there a reason you can't use the declarative API to block these websites? Isn't that what you're doing on Safari?

https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/reference/decla...

(Disclosure: I work at Google, speaking only for myself)

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Post by jraph »

innocenat wrote: post #196
jraph wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8 years ago, Firefox 25 was released. I don't know your needs but a lot as changed underneath. Notably, Firefox is now using multiple processes, the Javascript engine is probably a lot faster, the web engine too. I don't like every change, especially the latest revamp of the UI, but it is still the best browser for me. You could try, and them move if conclusive? If you consider switching anyway. Moving everything bef…

As I said, I was bitten twice. It's hard to even try now. Back then I try for a few week before committing, but when I move my session (of 200+ tabs) onto Firefox, it's dead. And back then I was told the exact same thing I was told this time, too.

I sure reached 200 tabs on Firefox at times and it's probably a lot better at handling this kind of things than a decade ago. But I hear you.
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