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Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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if you haven't already use Firefox and recognize that this is a fundamental question of freedom and whether you want the internet to be controlled by dystopian corporate advertisement monoliths or institutions that care about your rights. Every time this comes up and 80% of discussions is about whether the tab bar in firefox is flat or three pixels wide instead of five makes me more depressed

Didn't Mozilla fire their devtools team ? FF devtools weren't up to Chrome as-is, and doesn't sound like they ever will be. FF seems like a sinking ship, not worth investing time in. TBH I'm perfectly happy with Chrome and using Google accounts. The benefits of my data following me around seamlessly far outweighs the downsides of Google having access to it.

Firefox also fired their security team.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

#162

As someone who is intimately familiar with the Chrome extensions internals and is not employed by a big tech company, I believe most of the changes seem like a step in the right direction.* I've been working towards implementing greater support for Chrome extensions in Electron which has involved reading and interacting with Chromium code [0]. - Using service workers instead of a hidden background webpage is more idi…

Your claim that service workers are more idiomatic than background pages ignores months of debate and examples to the contrary collected by the w3c web extensions group. [0]

This could be an area where MV3 walks itself back. One proposal creates an Extension Worker which is a new concept like a Service Worker but better matches the use cases for background scripts. Another simply puts background pages back, but behind a permission.

[0] https://github.com/w3c/webextensions/labels/topic%3A%20servi...

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

#163

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For literally the reasons we're already discussing: to offer an alternative to Chrome. If every browser is based on Chromium then you're not really offering an alternative to Google Chrome because Google still own the supply chain. Not only in terms of your new browser's rendering engine but also in terms of website owners being vindicated in targeting Chrome. The only way to offer a legitimate counterargument to Chr…

I think that's backwards. Gecko requires constant and expensive work to keep up with Blink. And it has been falling behind. Whereas Blink gets that work for free from Google. If you want to offer a legitimate counter argument to Chrome by using Gecko then you have to find some way to bring in the hundreds of millions of dollars of necessary funding to bring Gecko up to Blink's quality. If you want to create a counter…

"quality"

unilaterally implementing unstable APIs and telling people on web.dev that "it's safe you can use it it's totally production ready" isn't exactly quality, but you do you.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

#164

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I’d prefer Firefox, but some functionality works inarguably better in chrome. One example is YouTube, which slams my processor due to the lack of hardware decoding.

The h264ify add-on will let your computer load YouTube videos more efficiently on Firefox, if it supports hardware acceleration for H.264 but not VP8/VP9. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/h264ify/

Right, I have no interest in installing an add on to make one of the most popular websites work correctly on Firefox.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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On Android it's freaking fantastic. Everything feels snappier and I can utilise uBlock Origin to block all of the BS. I've set this up for family, friends etc and none have gone back to Chrome. I think the biggest issue is marketing.

Have they fixed the scrolling? For years the scrolling in mobile Firefox felt bad/off. At one point I just gave up on trying to make it work.

Yes. They did a rewrite of the android UI layer that released last year, and since then the scrolling is on par with chrome. If you install ublock origin then Firefox now has the best android browser experience by some way.

(The 2017 update did not do it for me)

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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>I am really not sure why they keep losing users. Because, number one, they keep constantly making radical UI/UX changes that frustrate and alienate their long term users who would rather they keep the "older look" which they got used to and works just fine for them, and number two, most websites are lazy so their devs only optimize for Chrome, even going the extra mile to explicitly state that "For best experience u…

> Because they keep making stupid UI)UX choices than alienate their users Cannot overstate this enough. They keep randomly changing their UI constantly , and it's especially frustrating when you have a bunch of custom CSS. I'm a bunch of versions behind & dreading updating because I don't want to spend the hours it'll take to fix my shit for their new version. I honestly hate this browser so much at this point, but e…

People like you editing their userChrome.css should never be taken into account when it comes to UI changes. It comes with dozens of warnings that it is not an officially supported thing to do so, it's just left accessible should you want to at your own risk, and when said risks happen, you blame Mozilla for it? Get real.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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>I am really not sure why they keep losing users. Because, number one, they keep constantly making radical UI/UX changes that frustrate and alienate their long term users who would rather they keep the "older look" which they got used to and works just fine for them, and number two, most websites are lazy so their devs only optimize for Chrome, even going the extra mile to explicitly state that "For best experience u…

> Because they keep making stupid UI)UX choices than alienate their users Cannot overstate this enough. They keep randomly changing their UI constantly , and it's especially frustrating when you have a bunch of custom CSS. I'm a bunch of versions behind & dreading updating because I don't want to spend the hours it'll take to fix my shit for their new version. I honestly hate this browser so much at this point, but e…

What do you have to fix when you upgrade?

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

#168

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Can you give some examples what you changed? I’m very curious because I’ve never heard about it and can’t imagine what people would do with it

Sure! I use a single toolbar at the top that contains back/forward, refresh/stop, menu dropdowns (which are all hidden except for History/Bookmarks/Tools), the address bar, my bookmarks toolbar buttons, and all addon buttons. Below that is my tab toolbar. This setup is accomplished by CSS with a bunch of position:absolute; and negative margins and stuff, because it's impossible to truly have all of these things in th…

Don't reverse responsibilities. _You_ made the choice of changing this CSS. _You_ fucked the layout up when the upgrade comes in.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

#169

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I’d prefer Firefox, but some functionality works inarguably better in chrome. One example is YouTube, which slams my processor due to the lack of hardware decoding.

The h264ify add-on will let your computer load YouTube videos more efficiently on Firefox, if it supports hardware acceleration for H.264 but not VP8/VP9. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/h264ify/

Use a plug-in from an AppStore where plugins are regularly bought and replaced with malware?

No thanks.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

#170
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I’d prefer Firefox, but some functionality works inarguably better in chrome. One example is YouTube, which slams my processor due to the lack of hardware decoding.

So swap to chrome for those 1-2 websites that require it and use Firefox for everything else?

Yeah the user is DEFINITELY wrong here and it’s not the browsers fault for being mediocre.
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