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False Pro-China Accounts Invade Twitter in the UK

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> We identify a large network of Twitter accounts that demonstrate multiple forms of coordinated inauthentic activity. The network consists of 62 accounts in total, 29 of which were recently active until we flagged their activity for Twitter.

29 active accounts is 'a large network'?

From this report:

https://demtech.oii.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/127/20...

Re: False Pro-China Accounts Invade Twitter in the UK

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post #8
post #2

We're not supposed to question it, but in this case it seems salient: your account was created just to post this and it's got a lot of upvotes for something seemingly banal. Is this part of a competing "diplomatic program"?

No, it's not salient at all. It's a research report from the University of Oxford: https://demtech.oii.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/127/20... If you want to criticize something, criticize that. We can do without baseless accusations.

First, there point was that this post seems to engage in similar tactics. The report existing doesn't mean this isn't some counter information campaign.

Second, the post links to an article about that report, and though the article mentions 189 twitter accounts the report only lists 62. Similarly, they don't show close to the 62000 tweets mentioned in the article from what I could see.

Re: False Pro-China Accounts Invade Twitter in the UK

#15
Without commenting on China specifically, a few facts:

- The cheapest, safest way to "invade" the US (or any Western democracy) isn't through an army, but through manipulation of news, social media, and elections

- Indeed, if I'm Iran and I want Iraq attacked, it's much cheaper to manipulate the US into doing the dirty work than to attack myself.

- Much of the same is true of corporations -- a million spend lobbying can "buy" hundreds of millions in corrupt (but usually legal) profits.

- The checks-and-balances put in 250 years ago aren't adequate to defend democracy.

As a footnote: The second-cheapest way is through asymmetric attacks, such as cyberattacks, and increasingly, bioattacks. I don't want a debate about COVID19 origins, vaccines, or what-not (please don't), but the fact of the matter is that engineering a virus like COVID19 is within the grasp of most nation-states. That vulnerability went from theoretical to very, very visible. Genetic engineering will only get better. It's not implausible that soon we'll be able to engineer viruses which lead to long-term disability, decrease the IQ of a nation, or are at least somewhat selective by ethnicity (of course, once released, all bets are off). It's definitely possible to have vaccine-in-hand when releasing a bioweapon.

Re: False Pro-China Accounts Invade Twitter in the UK

#16
post #2

We're not supposed to question it, but in this case it seems salient: your account was created just to post this and it's got a lot of upvotes for something seemingly banal. Is this part of a competing "diplomatic program"?

Remember when Wikileaks revealed the US has plans for cyberattacks that would be blamed on another country?

These days it's China this, China that. I bet it's West this, West that in China, too.

Everyone's been so polarized on this, this is exactly what warmongers in power want.

Re: False Pro-China Accounts Invade Twitter in the UK

#17

defining terms is important. What is a "false" account? How do you distinguish a genuine pro-china account from cynical manipulation?

The study in question had its own criteria. However in my experience, I'm not sure if it is important to distinguish between someone who "brought his own rations" or is a bonafide member of the 50 cent army.

Toxic nationalism, shifting premises, constant deflection and whattaboutism are all present. Typically the troll in question will claim to be a native speaker of a language they have a poor understanding of. Taken all together, the presentation exceeds credulity. If nothing else the end result paints the narrative in a light of inept desperation.

The issue isn't necessarily with the content of the message, but the ineptitude of the deception. There's a special delight similar to obliging a telephone scammer who has a poor command of language and an absurd pitch.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not salient at all. It's a research report from the University of Oxford: https://demtech.oii.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/127/20... If you want to criticize something, criticize that. We can do without baseless accusations.

First, there point was that this post seems to engage in similar tactics. The report existing doesn't mean this isn't some counter information campaign. Second, the post links to an article about that report, and though the article mentions 189 twitter accounts the report only lists 62. Similarly, they don't show close to the 62000 tweets mentioned in the article from what I could see.

1) The point is bogus. The upvote trajectory is typical for a HN frontpage submission. If you think there's an upvote ring, the appropriate behavior is to message moderators. The expected value of throwing around a random accusation without proof is zero.

2) I don't know where they took the 189 from, but the other numbers match what the report says. It could be that the article is garbage, but that is a very minor point. It's referencing research from a reputable institution, if you want to criticize the research or methodology, do so upstream.

Re: False Pro-China Accounts Invade Twitter in the UK

#20
post #7

>A University of Oxford report shows 98,000 tweets were connected with a Chinese program spreading the propaganda statements of Beijing’s ambassador in London. I would much prefer to read the report.

Here, direct PDF link: https://demtech.oii.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/127/20...
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