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Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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Unlike the toilet paper panic buying there is limited capacity people can buy, so I would expect this to naturally end short term when people don’t have capacity to buy any more. What concerns me is government planning to address this looks a lot more forward looking than a few days/a week, so I can see it getting worse. Interesting how the government say it’s not a shortage, if the refineries were running low you wo…

> ..as I think most people are just filling up to the top instead of half way.. Perhaps I am missing something here, but are you referring to vehicles in this context? Is it not common to always fill your tank to the top?

Depends a lot on the social status I think. Growing up in a poor household, we never worried about gas prices. When the salary came, we would buy 200HRK worth of petrol and use the car as long as it had petrol. After that, you walk. It was never a full tank and these days its not even half a tank.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

#142

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That's quite a claim. Do you have some strong evidence to back it up? The electoral commission went to great lengths and expense to find any wrong doing and came up with nothing. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20... Edit: Rant alert: It really irks me that the people who call the Brexit election unfair, don't seem to acknowledge that Britain was never given any kind of referendum when joini…

Your source is behind a paywall, and I'm not interested in paying the Telegraph, but it seems there's a factual inaccuracy in your statement - the electoral commission did not 'come up with nothing'. They imposed a fine, referred Vote Leave to the police, and Vote Leave dropped their appeal. https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/media-centre/vote-lea... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/29/vote-leave-...

Later article from a non-paywalled source: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/pro-brexit-...

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

#144

Unlike the toilet paper panic buying there is limited capacity people can buy, so I would expect this to naturally end short term when people don’t have capacity to buy any more. What concerns me is government planning to address this looks a lot more forward looking than a few days/a week, so I can see it getting worse. Interesting how the government say it’s not a shortage, if the refineries were running low you wo…

> when people don’t have capacity to buy any more. I'm confused, can't they just fill up jerry cans, or if garages aren't allowing this, just siphon the fuel out of the car at home?

Jerrycans are about 5 gallons and people tend to have only 1-3 of them. The nationwide capacity to store gas (in reasonable contentions) is probably pretty low compared to average sales.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

#145

Unlike the toilet paper panic buying there is limited capacity people can buy, so I would expect this to naturally end short term when people don’t have capacity to buy any more. What concerns me is government planning to address this looks a lot more forward looking than a few days/a week, so I can see it getting worse. Interesting how the government say it’s not a shortage, if the refineries were running low you wo…

> ..as I think most people are just filling up to the top instead of half way.. Perhaps I am missing something here, but are you referring to vehicles in this context? Is it not common to always fill your tank to the top?

No. It's a waste of money. Britain is a small country, you're not going to run out of fuel (ordinarily) on a trip and so it makes sense to keep the money in your pocket instead of turning it into fuel that's sat there doing nothing useful.

Also, it's very common to buy round amounts of value e.g. £30 of petrol, periodically, rather than just fill it up for however much that costs, for some people this makes it easier to think about from a budget point of view.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

#146

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I seriously doubt this claim 'Literally everyone I spoke to who voted for Brexit did so entirely on the lies' - that seems to be a coping mechanism for anybody on the opposite side of a debate. If I had voted remain you could say I had done so on lies if my motivation was to prevent house prices dropping by 18% [1] - where as actually they have moved about 18% higher [2]. There were no specific claims about removing…

I'm sorry that the reality I experience does not line up neatly with the one you want to believe

> I'm sorry that the reality I experience does not line up neatly with the one you want to believe

Might it not be fairer to state the sentence either as this:

> I'm sorry that the reality I want to believe does not line up neatly with the one you want to believe

... or this ...

> I'm sorry that the reality I experience does not line up with the reality you experience

All in good faith of the discussion.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

#147

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Yes, there was razor-thin margin for the Leave campaign, with massive lies being told, partially financed by Russia, and the younger generation generally opposed. It makes travelling in the EU harder, let alone it risks upsetting the Ireland situation. You can expect an international audience to disapprove.

That's quite a claim. Do you have some strong evidence to back it up? The electoral commission went to great lengths and expense to find any wrong doing and came up with nothing. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20... Edit: Rant alert: It really irks me that the people who call the Brexit election unfair, don't seem to acknowledge that Britain was never given any kind of referendum when joini…

Leave.EU Group Limited:

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-w...

Conclusion: Leave.EU was ultimately fined £66,000 in total after their appeal.

Vote Leave Ltd:

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-w...

Conclusion: commission found evidence, issued fines, most significant fines appealed, commission lost appeal and paid costs.

Investigation into payments made to Better for the Country and Leave.EU:

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-w...

Conclusion: The Commission had reasonable grounds to suspect a number of criminal offences and have referred the matter to the National Crime Agency, who investigated and found not much.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

#148

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https://brexitlies.com/ There's a handy dropdown that lets you pick the lie you want to explore. EDIT: I replied to the wrong comment accidentally due to the delayed rendering from an HN helper extension I use, my apologies. I can't delete the comment once someone has replied to it.

That's all good and well, but I don't think it answered my question about a source for accusations of Russian involvement, nor did it address my question about the lack of democratic process when joining the EU, so I'm not entirely sure why you posted this.

Wikipedia says the investigation is ongoing an there seems to be some evidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20...

Given what we know about Russian interference in other elections, it would be strange if Putin said "Nah, let's sit this one out..."

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

#149
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... except there's also news reports everywhere of an energy crisis in Europe too? Also maybe Asia as well. I've been trying to read into the causes and dont feel like I've come to understand it any better. I'm tempted to see it as part of the broader supply chain crisis but I get the impression its a little different. Then again I'm not sure I understand why the broader supply chain disruption is as pervasive as it…

In Italy I can buy gas everywhere as much as I want/can. There are anticipations of truck drivers shortage in Italy too, but guess, there's a whole EU labor market to try to fix that.

Same for all? of continental Europe. Prices are up a couple of cents but no sign of a supply crisis.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

#150

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That's quite a claim. Do you have some strong evidence to back it up? The electoral commission went to great lengths and expense to find any wrong doing and came up with nothing. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20... Edit: Rant alert: It really irks me that the people who call the Brexit election unfair, don't seem to acknowledge that Britain was never given any kind of referendum when joini…

The UK joined in '73. After the terms were finalised there was a referendum in '75 where the public agreed to stay in. "Never given any kind of referendum" is far fetched.

"After the entry into force of the Treaty of Lisbon in 2009 the pillar structure ceased to exist. The European Community, together with its legal personality, was absorbed into the newly consolidated European Union which merged in the other two pillars (however Euratom remained distinct). This was originally proposed under the European Constitution but that treaty failed ratification in 2005."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Community

So no, the UK joined the EU in 2009.

Also note:

The Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe (TCE; commonly referred to as the European Constitution or as the Constitutional Treaty) was an unratified international treaty intended to create a consolidated constitution for the European Union (EU). It would have replaced the existing European Union treaties with a single text, given legal force to the Charter of Fundamental Rights, and expanded Qualified Majority Voting into policy areas which had previously been decided by unanimity among member states.

The Treaty was signed on 29 October 2004 by representatives of the then 25 member states of the European Union. It was later ratified by 18 member states, which included referendums endorsing it in Spain and Luxembourg. However, the rejection of the document by French and Dutch voters in May and June 2005 brought the ratification process to an end.

Following a period of reflection, the Treaty of Lisbon was created to replace the Constitutional Treaty. This contained many of the changes that were originally placed in the Constitutional Treaty but, instead of repealing and replacing the existing treaties, simply amended them and abandoned the idea of a single codified constitution. Signed on 13 December 2007, the Lisbon Treaty entered into force on 1 December 2009.

So it was initially reject, some cosmtetic changes were made and it was shoe-horned through. Hardly what I would call democratic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Constitu...

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