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Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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Post by vmception »

> Alayon told The Post that he does not own the “racisminc,” Holocaust-denial or other web addresses but declined to say if he had owned them in the past

Njalla is a registrar that allows purchase of domain names with Monero and other cryptocurrencies. So this will never happen to any domain squatters and enterprisers here, as there would be no identifying information such as the kind needed to process credit card transactions :) and Monero distinctly does not have further tracing to prior fund ownership.

Just write whatever you want in the WHOIS information of course, and then still keep the free WHOIS privacy on. You can put contact information in the DNS information if you are just trying to sell the site.

File this under yet another case of SHUM

Should Have Used Monero

Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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Post by marcinzm »

notanzaiiswear wrote: post #28
marcinzm wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but that's the fun thing, you can support this and believe in free speech. After all, free speech does not mean freedom from consequences to most people. Nor are other people forced to not react to your speech in any way since that would impede other freedoms like freedom of association. And publishing this information is also free speech. You could argue that there should be an expectation of privacy but that's…

Not freedom of consequences: that is a bit too vague. What if the consequence is that somebody shoots you dead if you say the wrong thing? According to you, they still have free speech? Actually I think some real world dictator was literally making that joke, proclaiming that there is freedom of speech in his country. He just can't guarantee for the outcomes.

Then the murderer broke the law and will be prosecuted for that. If the government doesn’t prosecute them as they support the action then there’s no freedom of speech. This is why freedom of speech is generally discussed within the context of the government as the government enforces other laws.

Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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Post by davewritescode »

h2odragon wrote: post #4

> The Post publicizes material obtained through hacking with caution, only after verifying its authenticity and ascertaining that there is news value in bringing such information to light. Sure you do. So let me just check here: Political purity as an employment requirement... Firing people for this is fine, right? What happens when the popular politics change? The "Moral Majority" folks were accused of wanting to be…

Please don't turn this into a political purity thing. As far as I'm aware, the only people who've faced consequences are people who have owned and run domain names that are inexcusably terrible. I'm no believer in cancel culture, particularly the aspects that get people punished for things they've posted online as teenagers and young adults. But that's entirely different that running a website for holocaust deniers and racists. An employer has a right to fire someone like that.

The right wing of this country has really confused freedom of speech with freedom from consequence. In addition to freedom of speech, the constitution provides for freedom of association, i.e. the right to associate or disassociate with groups or people.

The problem is that 15 years ago, most companies and people didn't pay as much attention to social media as they do today.

Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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Post by Arnt »

zpeti wrote: post #30
mavhc wrote: post #12

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So you're saying releasing the names of trolls who doxxed people is not funny?

Every single person who ever did business with Epik and has had their details released is a doxxing troll? Really?

Your sentence has two clauses: "did business with Epik" and "had their details released".

AFAICT, the people who have been combing through that database and releasing details on people on the net, in a readable format have been selective about who they look for and release details about. So the answer (still AFAICT) is yes, if by release you mean in a human-friendly and/or googleable manner.

If, on the other hand, you consider the dump itself to be releasing details, no matter how difficult it is to read, then the answer is no. But that seems a rather pedantic, otherworldly no.

Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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Post by naasking »

wayoutthere wrote: post #40
notanzaiiswear wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Paradox of tolerance; the only way to have a tolerant society is to be intolerant of intolerance. You have to make that exception or you lose the entire thing. Very much a “sorry not sorry” about “cancel culture”.

Popper didn't say to be intolerant of all intolerance, he said only to be intolerant of intolerance that cannot be countered by reasoned argument or kept in check by popular opinion. In no sense are far-right ideas "popular", and they are easily countered by reasoned arguments.

Popper's paradox of intolerance is probably the most misused and misquoted argument in online debates these past few years.

Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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Post by user-the-name »

ahiknsr wrote: post #37
notanzaiiswear wrote: post #29

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> To me it is rather the demand that certain beliefs may not be questioned that enables things like fascists rising to power Holocaust is not a belief, it is a historical event that has already happened.

Pretty amazing that this is what gets downvoted in this site.

Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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Post by user-the-name »

vmception wrote: post #51

> Alayon told The Post that he does not own the “racisminc,” Holocaust-denial or other web addresses but declined to say if he had owned them in the past Njalla is a registrar that allows purchase of domain names with Monero and other cryptocurrencies. So this will never happen to any domain squatters and enterprisers here, as there would be no identifying information such as the kind needed to process credit card tr…

This is what cryptocurrencies are good for: Protecting and helping the absolute worst of humanity.

Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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Post by user-the-name »

naasking wrote: post #47
bildung wrote: post #15

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"After a scandal narrative [about Hunter Biden] failed to gain traction in the mainstream press, conservative media and personalities pivoted to a "meta narrative" that the press, social media platforms and the "deep state" were suppressing news of the scandal." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspira...

Social media platforms literally were suppressing news of the story. That's literally, verifiably true, and the suppression was indeed a bigger scandal than the original story. All of the reasons other media outlets touted for not covering it, and social media touted for suppressing it, are obviously nonsense, as is clear by coverage of literally any other story based on leaked or hacked materials over the past 20 ye…

You know what? I am pretty happy about dishonest political smear campaigns being suppressed.

Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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Post by user-the-name »

terracottage wrote: post #22

Funny, when this happens in the other direction it's called harassment. The guilt by association here is transparent, as is the implication that it's okay because it's hitting the "right" people, i.e. the right. Who are then immediately labeled far-right by fiat. Far left extremists are far too high on their own supply, and are torching the principles of free society left and right. And they still somehow think they…

Funny, they put bank robbers in prison but when I lock someone in my basement, suddenly I'm the "bad guy"!

Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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Post by b7a9a9a »

multi-million dollar newspaper, founded in 1877, owned by the richest person in the world, telling me what I really needed to know: the name, occupation, and location of the owner of the website "theholocaustisfake.com".

salaried individuals sifting through data dumps to compile identifying lists of people to publish to their millions of readers in temporal perpetuity.

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