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I'm betting that all of the bandwidth consumed by Napster downloads would look laughably small today. Anyone have some numbers to run?

Most of the music on Napster was 128 kbps. Apple TV+ streams video at 40 Mbps.

I have no idea what this means in terms of numbers, but the fact that streaming video is so common today and was virtually non-existent back then means the bandwidth consumption of the average household is probably a couple orders of magnitude greater now.

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There was something about piracy in the times of Napster, emule and the like. It really made you feel like you knew some incantation to get access to the whole world's information. In practical terms, I have access to far more content now (music on Spotify, shows and movies on streaming services, tutorials, online classes, etc) and yet our reach doesn't seem as wide as it seemed in those times. Perhaps it was just th…

>> ... to digital abundance. Really? Spotify and Netflix pale in comparison to what Napster was. For all the content you think you have access to, Napster gave us the ability to see what other people had stored on their drives, stuff that they wanted to share rather than whatever media Spotify has a license for. That opened a world of discovery unmatched by any streaming service, or all of them put together. Want a c…

I wonder if we can go back to that and still compensate artists.

Have a music sharing service accessible via subscription. You can share anything you want including copyrighted music. If someone downloads copyrighted music from you, detected via audio fingerprinting, the service will pay the copyright holder from subscription fees - kind of like how streaming services do it now.

Granted this would require copyright holders to all buy-in but I guess we can just exclude the music of non-cooperating copyright holders from the network, again via fingerprinting, although this “restricted form” of the service will be of lesser value.

Now that I think about it, in a way, I feel YouTube has already taken up this role in the aforementioned restricted form since it publishes everything without seeking anyone’s permission and only removed stuff if there are complains.

Re: Napster.com banned at some universities for clogging networks (2000)

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https://interviewfor.red/en/index.html

You know, the only reason I've never joined a music tracker was because until this thread I'd forgotten what it was like to have a pure, limitless, non-commercial library of everything audio. Not that many years before the dawn of BitTorrent, I was making, mixing, and trading APEs and FLACs of self-recorded tapes (dubs, live, local) and record collections in niche communities and channels that no longer exist- bullie…

for recordings of live shows try dimeadozen.org

Re: Napster.com banned at some universities for clogging networks (2000)

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At the individual level, you're denying the copyright holder and the dependency chain of rent extractors the money from a purchase transaction they're legally entitled to, if you were willing to pay and jump through whatever hoops were in place as a potential customer. Game of thrones streaming issues showed people don't like hoops or shitty service. If you're not a potential customer, and don't share the media, copy…

> the dependency chain of rent extractors Especially this part. Spotify in particular is bad this way, with the artists getting a nearly invisibly small slice of the money. Youtube isn't much better. Reduce the friction that prevents me from giving my money directly to the artists to support their work and I'd be a much bigger paying consumer of online media.

I suggest bandcamp.com as one of the best places to support artists right now. It's not the same model as Spotify though.

The search there isn't great but I find a huge % of things I'm interested in come up on a websearch for: artistname albumname bandcamp

Re: Napster.com banned at some universities for clogging networks (2000)

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I recall circa 1999? Tape recording a live performance of Britney Spears, "Hit Me Baby One More Time" from the Mark & Lard BBC radio 1 show by the UK indie band Travis. I later shared this on Napster after digitising from the phono in on my cyrix 333MHz PC. I often wonder if that exact MP3 file still exists somewhere

I can see a 128 mp3 that says it's from Radio1's Live Lounge, would that be it? or if that's a different show perhaps it got mistitled along the way.

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When I was an undergraduate student at a conservative university back circa 2001 I had the Napster binary in my home directory because I was curious about how it worked and was doing some packet analysis in my spare time. About halfway into the semester I tried logging into my account on a lab computer to do an assignment only to get an access denied. When I asked the lab assistant about it, he pulled up my info and…

I’ve fond memories of repeatedly escaping punishment for breaking into the school’s network, because it was too embarrassing to them to admit that a 14 year old had owned them. Napster didn’t yet exist, so we were maintaining a huge (for the time) shared library of mp3s, VCDs, games, and all the rest - this proved extremely popular at boarding school, where they shut off the network and internet access at 8pm (or so…

I had a similar experience at 12...

To their credit, my punishment was brilliant. I was removed from computer class and placed in gym.

Re: Napster.com banned at some universities for clogging networks (2000)

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Yes piracy is bad and all but as a college student, Napster was such as life saver. You could literally download any song you wanted to listen to. I also remember another application called Kazaa that was popular as well (circa 2000-2002ish)

I don't like the use of the term "piracy". Piracy is taking a vessel. Common crimes committed by pirates are homicide, kidnapping, rape... It is all very different from copying a file to someone. Of course, "the industry" doesn't care equating one with another.

> Meaning "one who takes another's work without permission" first recorded 1701

From https://www.etymonline.com/word/pirate

It's not so much that words gain meanings, this word gained that meaning three hundred years ago.

Re: Napster.com banned at some universities for clogging networks (2000)

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I recall circa 1999? Tape recording a live performance of Britney Spears, "Hit Me Baby One More Time" from the Mark & Lard BBC radio 1 show by the UK indie band Travis. I later shared this on Napster after digitising from the phono in on my cyrix 333MHz PC. I often wonder if that exact MP3 file still exists somewhere

I can see a 128 mp3 that says it's from Radio1's Live Lounge, would that be it? or if that's a different show perhaps it got mistitled along the way.

Yea i think that was the section of the show, they did it up till mid 2000s.

Where are you seeing it?! They did do the song live a lot after that, but mine was from the first ever time they did it in public.

I think mark and lard did high pitched harmonies in the background if memory serves

Re: Napster.com banned at some universities for clogging networks (2000)

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post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see a 128 mp3 that says it's from Radio1's Live Lounge, would that be it? or if that's a different show perhaps it got mistitled along the way.

Yea i think that was the section of the show, they did it up till mid 2000s. Where are you seeing it?! They did do the song live a lot after that, but mine was from the first ever time they did it in public. I think mark and lard did high pitched harmonies in the background if memory serves

There's a couple of people sharing it on soulseek.
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