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Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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So we have a newspaper in a city with 67.30% Whites and 15.43% Asian doing a little virtue signaling. In the witch hunt they use illegally obtained information. How do we know that the data sets are even correct? Can one use information from a hack? Will these journalists be prosecuted like Assange for using such information? I don't like the websites that the witch hunt target participated in, but public shaming lik…

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Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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Funny, when this happens in the other direction it's called harassment.

The guilt by association here is transparent, as is the implication that it's okay because it's hitting the "right" people, i.e. the right. Who are then immediately labeled far-right by fiat.

Far left extremists are far too high on their own supply, and are torching the principles of free society left and right. And they still somehow think they wouldn't have been the baddies 80 years ago.

Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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post #12

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So you're saying releasing the names of trolls who doxxed people is not funny?

The parent post seems to be saying that employers firing someone for their disagreeable political actions (at least outside of their workplace) is wrong. Agitating contrary to the majority sociopolitical opinion should not make one unemployable; Firing people for inappropriate or immoral political opinion is not new, USA has already been there with e.g. Hoover's Red scare and the 1980s "Moral majority", but in hindsi…

It's not a political opinion though, that's the point.

No one's firing him for saying that taxes are at the wrong level.

Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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post #7

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I am old enough to remember when a year ago, these same media companies censored the hunter Biden story falsely claiming it was Russian disinfo and result of hacking and thus didn't report it. Do you really believe this is about data breach and not about only political vendetta? The article is doing a lot of cheering if you read the article.

"After a scandal narrative [about Hunter Biden] failed to gain traction in the mainstream press, conservative media and personalities pivoted to a "meta narrative" that the press, social media platforms and the "deep state" were suppressing news of the scandal." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspira...

What it means by "a scandal narrative failed to gain traction" is that the mainstream press ignored the actual contents of the hack and focused entirely on falsely discrediting the information it contained as fake (a claim which fell apart almost immediately, at least for all the Hunter Biden emails which were politically interesting - something the non-conservative press has actually just started to notice), objections to the morality of using hacked data which are mysteriously absent here, and of course endless articles about how "conservative media" were using it. It's remarkable how whenever something happens that's politically inconvenient to Democrats, most of the US media coverage ends up being about the Republican reaction to it! In fact, that sentence from Wikipedia is a downstream consequence of this ... at least in theory, their policy is to just regurgitate the mainstream media narrative.

Remember, too, that the Hunter Biden emails involved the future president of the USA and his family whereas this involves random obscure anonymous internet users that none of the Seattle Times' readers would even have heard of had prior to the press deciding to go after them. It takes an extremely partisan notion of newsworthiness to consider the latter worthy of reporting but not the former.

Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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I think criticizing people for running websites like “theholocaustisfake” is less like “attacking people for having bad thoughts” and a bit more like “attacking people for poisoning the well”.

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That's why you need to stop them before they came to power. World learned that in 1933.

Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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>The "Moral Majority" folks were accused of wanting to be everything the Left has become. You think people somehow inherently differ because of their political beliefs? We're all human and both sides will act roughly the same but for different stated reasons. Then denounce the other side for it before doing it themselves.

People have different ideals. A lot of people really care about free speech and freedom in general.

Sure but that's the fun thing, you can support this and believe in free speech. After all, free speech does not mean freedom from consequences to most people. Nor are other people forced to not react to your speech in any way since that would impede other freedoms like freedom of association. And publishing this information is also free speech. You could argue that there should be an expectation of privacy but that's different than freedom of speech or freedom in general.

Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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People have different ideals. A lot of people really care about free speech and freedom in general.

Sure but that's the fun thing, you can support this and believe in free speech. After all, free speech does not mean freedom from consequences to most people. Nor are other people forced to not react to your speech in any way since that would impede other freedoms like freedom of association. And publishing this information is also free speech. You could argue that there should be an expectation of privacy but that's…

Not freedom of consequences: that is a bit too vague. What if the consequence is that somebody shoots you dead if you say the wrong thing? According to you, they still have free speech? Actually I think some real world dictator was literally making that joke, proclaiming that there is freedom of speech in his country. He just can't guarantee for the outcomes.

Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret

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post #12

> The Post publicizes material obtained through hacking with caution, only after verifying its authenticity and ascertaining that there is news value in bringing such information to light. Sure you do. So let me just check here: Political purity as an employment requirement... Firing people for this is fine, right? What happens when the popular politics change? The "Moral Majority" folks were accused of wanting to be…

So you're saying releasing the names of trolls who doxxed people is not funny?

Every single person who ever did business with Epik and has had their details released is a doxxing troll?

Really?

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