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Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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The interesting bit I didn't know was the article says that Wikileaks did not publish the complete contents of the Vault 7 materials they had. Not sure whether they just published shasums of the bits they didn't, or if they proved some other way they had parts they were holding back as leverage.

It's odd to read what was really at stake. Pompeo's team was ready to assasinate Assange in London, and the only thing stopping them was the justice dept and only nominally the office of the President. What WL (and Snowden) did was show to the public the intelligence community, who was ostensibly accountable to them, for what they truthfully were. The news media took a bigger credibility hit for their history of spiking these stories and delivering hit pieces than the spies ever did.

Most people saw how the sausage was made and decided they still liked sausage. Not only do we tolerate what these services do, but now that we know about it and have done nothing to change it, we have acknowledged it and rewarded them for it all. Snowden's story practically created the ability for retired generals to accept pulpits from tv news where they can armchair QB the issues of the day, and they should thank him for the minor television celebrity and speaker circuit fêting they now enjoy. Whether that undermines the credibility of their institutions is still to be seen, but all that plotting to kill Assange just to sustain some lame narrative about a bureaucracy seems like it was just a fatal distraction from the real unseating of western power that we are clearly into the endgame of today.

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Don't forget that he wrote the bill that became the Patriot Act.

And the Clipper Chip: https://reason.com/2015/04/09/the-feds-want-a-back-door-into... "One fine day in 1991, an ambitious senator named Joe Biden introduced legislation declaring that telecommunications companies "shall ensure" that their hardware includes backdoors for government eavesdropping. Biden's proposal was followed by the introduction of the Clipper Chip by the National Security Agency (NSA) and a remarkabl…

I actually believe that he is absent minded man of advanced age... Which makes whole USA political system even funnier from outside. Only if they didn't have nukes... Not that he doesn't deserve full punishment for all the crimes he has commited.

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and most of the War on Drugs... He might just be the most loathsome human being we've ever elected President. Although McCain would have been worse had he ever made it. In fact, Biden and McCain have always been my go-to examples of the worst that America has to offer and like cockroaches they always managed to hang on.

I also do not care for Biden, but, "the most loathsome human being we've ever elected President," is ignoring history. There isn't a single president where unpleasant facts about their actions are not documented-- there wasn't a single pure and good president of the united states-- ever, nor even one who did not engage in activities which could be described as "loathsome". Starting with George Washington who lead an…

Good lord this is a wall of misinformation.

This thread is ripe for America hating propaganda.

Most of what you said is either hyperbole or completely inaccurate.

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#74
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Just so everyone is clear, you think Trump would have been the better choice than Biden?

This is a false choice, they can both be awful along different axes. Biden however has a MUCH longer public record of bad policy decisions. Biden's crime bill from 1994 and the Iraq war which he supported caused more human misery than anything Trump had the opportunity to do in 4 years, all prior to the recent election. For all of his faults and criminality, Trump was mostly bluster and didn't actually do very much w…

And let's be entirely honest. It is not like policies vary from one administration to next. Many border policies were already in place before Trump and so was surveillance and so on. In general humanity loses every time.

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Surely, as a non-American he could chose any side he felt like? Much like I can - randomly or otherwise - choose any faction in the Nigerian elections. Or is their some planet-wide law that he fell under?

He can side with whoever he likes. Doesn’t mean anyone has to like him for it. Furthermore, as Assange isn’t an American citizen and doesn’t get to vote in the USA, none of them have no reason to put personal dislike aside and defend him or his actions. Hell, he might have been a lot better off now if he was a USA citizen, or even if he’d been officially working for Russia. Right now, he’s a conveniently unlicensed h…

> He can side with whoever he likes. Doesn’t mean anyone has to like him for it.

Indeed, hate away.

But its a big jump to imprisoning (or as some would like killing) him.

Just as - and focus here - its not ok to extradite atheists to Saudi Arabia for heresy committed in say New Zealand.

Its after all just a wee election.

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#76
Very interesting to see how this will end up impacting the Assange extradition trial.

Who's gonna agree to extradite him knowing that Trump was planning to assassinate him? Seems like a hard sell.

E: Turns out that this isn't even news https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8041597/US-plotted-...

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Surely, as a non-American he could chose any side he felt like? Much like I can - randomly or otherwise - choose any faction in the Nigerian elections. Or is their some planet-wide law that he fell under?

I don't understand your comment. Whether he should be pardoned or not is separate from him picking sides and making adversaries of the democrats. Are you suggesting that people shouldn't take the actions of others into account?

> Whether he should be pardoned?

How do you pardon a foreign citizen?

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I also do not care for Biden, but, "the most loathsome human being we've ever elected President," is ignoring history. There isn't a single president where unpleasant facts about their actions are not documented-- there wasn't a single pure and good president of the united states-- ever, nor even one who did not engage in activities which could be described as "loathsome". Starting with George Washington who lead an…

Good lord this is a wall of misinformation. This thread is ripe for America hating propaganda. Most of what you said is either hyperbole or completely inaccurate.

Sorry about the wall of text. I tried not to favor anyone's "side".

As for America hating. No. Those who are uncritical of their government are doing no one any favor. E.g., if we had more people speaking up critically against US policies abroad, 911 probably would never have happened.

It will be the uncritical patriots who will allow America to be lead to ruin.

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It’s not just “Establishment Democrats”. He literally acted as a stooge for the Russian government in publishing DNC emails but suppressing damaging information on Republicans.

>He literally acted as a stooge for the Russian government Based upon the talking points at the time, establishment Democrats very much wanted this to be true. This makes sense since the Russians are a convenient scapegoat. >suppressing damaging information on Republicans. They wanted this to be true but it didnt happen: https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/5pmo25/debunked_...

"On July 6, 2016, WikiLeaks again contacted Guccifer 2.0 through Twitter’s private messaging function, writing, “if you have anything hillary related we want it in the next tweo [sic] days prefable [sic] because the DNC is approaching and she will solidify bernie supporters behind her after.” The Guccifer 2.0 persona responded, “ok . . . i see.” WikiLeaks also explained, “we think trump has only a 25% chance of winning against hillary . . . so conflict between bernie and hillary is interesting.”".

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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You’re unfortunately being downvoted because you are not toeing the HN crowd line that Assange is a hero. But the plain truth is he took a TV deal (bribe) from Russian state media[0] in exchange for suppressing whistleblowers leaking Russian involvement in Syria[1], and doesn’t even bother to deny that he’s been coopted by Putin[2] when confronted. He is very motivated to leak as much damaging information he can on A…

I'm ready and willing to accept that Assange is by no means unbiased, thing is, I don't really care. I know that Russia has enormous corruption, as a matter of fact I don't even try to understand the degree and inner workings of said corruption and I very much doubt that it being public would really improve anything, that is, sadly, par for the course regarding Russia. I care that when confronted with some ugly truth…

>it's not "geopolitics" it's "realpolitik"

At least that seems to have nothing to do with Russia.

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