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Post by WallyFunk »

juangacovas wrote: post #116
cblconfederate wrote: post #112

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far more doesnt mean far more wide range. With P2P you could browse a server for the popular, as well as a bunch of things you d never heard. And it wasnt just music, just about anything , specifically very obscure stuff. anarchist material was something often uploaded. It was like you could see the whole jungle. Google is instead a zoo. (Incidentally, what is the current evolution of gnutella, or any P2P that allows…

You reminded me The Eye [1], an archive of stuff like that including old software and an overwhelming bunch of non-mainstream and abandoned things [1] https://the-eye.eu/

> Living without the knowledge of our past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots

We need a The Eye for The Eye that backs up The Eye

Re: Napster.com banned at some universities for clogging networks (2000)

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Post by delecti »

BitAstronaut wrote: post #71
sillysaurusx wrote: post #70

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It's because you were younger. It happens to everyone. You think younger people now don't feel the same way you did? And that they won't wistfully be talking about the times that Youtube gave them all the content they could ever dream of? Maybe. But I wouldn't count on it.

They have never downloaded a video off Napster or Limewire and realized it's actually... well, not the video they wanted.

I remember as a youth I was very excited to find an early cam of Matrix Revolutions on Kazaa, only to find it was some porno that wasn't even very good.

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Post by nodesocket »

consumer451 wrote: post #95
Assumer wrote: post #91

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Grooveshark came close, but it was always going to get shut down

Hotline was pretty exciting. Did anyone else here get involved with this? [0] Back when broadband had just hit Seattle I ran a server on an old PowerPC IA paraphrased quote from a user: > I am actually signed to TVT records but it this server’s contents that enables my creativity. These days I pay for everything, but that testament to digital freedom sticks with me. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotline_Communica…

Hotline, brings me back. Find the third word ending in ‘ed’ after clicking the banner ad. That’s your hotline password.

Re: Napster.com banned at some universities for clogging networks (2000)

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Post by echelon »

robbedpeter wrote: post #104
rhn_mk1 wrote: post #84

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> steal again Can we avoid the conflation of piracy and stealing? Stealing under the pre-internet definition has very different consequences from the duplication of copyable resources.

At the individual level, you're denying the copyright holder and the dependency chain of rent extractors the money from a purchase transaction they're legally entitled to, if you were willing to pay and jump through whatever hoops were in place as a potential customer. Game of thrones streaming issues showed people don't like hoops or shitty service. If you're not a potential customer, and don't share the media, copy…

The illegal part isn't procuring it for yourself. It's distributing it to others.

P2P can't be 100% leeches, so the lawyers always have plenty of people to go after.

To get to the tech savvy folks, they tear down VPNs and force the hands of ISPs.

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Post by anothermoron »

yboris wrote: post #103
nitrogen wrote: post #85

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No streaming site will ever have licenses for the bizarre remixes of video game themes, or the Sesame Street theme, that made their way around Napster. More than the music, though, Napster had chat rooms where you could get legit recommendations of new music that far exceeded the recommendation engines of today.

The pinnacle of sharing music was Audiogalaxy

Oink's pink palace was.

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Post by cannabis_sam »

blackearl wrote: post #142
yboris wrote: post #103

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The pinnacle of sharing music was Audiogalaxy

what.cd was the high point IMO

Oink, what.cd, and the redacted followers, were on a level that commercial streaming will never ever reach.

(The only reason is our absurd, anti-culture copyright laws)

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Post by echelon »

cblconfederate wrote: post #154
MomoXenosaga wrote: post #148

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Yes anonymity on the internet is gone. And with current "social justice" you can be crucified for something that you posted somewhere 10 years ago. On the other hand most people wouldn't want a completely free internet. 4chan versus Reddit and the public chose Reddit.

Reddit is still pseudonymous.

It's gotten worse.

They prominently use SSO, encourage the use of their app, and embed dozens of trackers.

They're actively trying to develop social features and get people to embed their identities.

This creates stickiness, a moat, and aids monetization.

Look to Twitter. They're forcing phone number association and blocking valid accounts from logging in without one. This will happen to Reddit too eventually.

Re: Napster.com banned at some universities for clogging networks (2000)

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Post by anoncow »

yboris wrote: post #103
nitrogen wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No streaming site will ever have licenses for the bizarre remixes of video game themes, or the Sesame Street theme, that made their way around Napster. More than the music, though, Napster had chat rooms where you could get legit recommendations of new music that far exceeded the recommendation engines of today.

The pinnacle of sharing music was Audiogalaxy

This! A web browser based UI which would trigger downloads in a native download manager is a user experience which is unparalleled to the day!

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Post by VortexDream »

dnfghdfgh wrote: post #25
torben-friis wrote: post #7

There was something about piracy in the times of Napster, emule and the like. It really made you feel like you knew some incantation to get access to the whole world's information. In practical terms, I have access to far more content now (music on Spotify, shows and movies on streaming services, tutorials, online classes, etc) and yet our reach doesn't seem as wide as it seemed in those times. Perhaps it was just th…

The content you readily have access to now is far far more curated by others than you realize, largely because it's so easy to use. It's a bit of legwork and both legally and ethically questionable, but a modern usenet|(radarr||sonarr)|nzbget|jellyfin pipeline makes the legal providers seem obscenely limited. It doesn't matter who has negotiated what license with whom -- if I want to watch a bit of media, I can usual…

The tools around Usenet are amazing and easily blow any legal offering out of the water. I don't currently use it, but when I did years ago, it was fairly easy to setup a completely automated system to download any shows/movies I'm interested in at the right quality level and make them available to me within minutes of release. I still miss it and with the increase of competing services I've gravitated more towards piracy than I have since my Usenet days.

Re: Napster.com banned at some universities for clogging networks (2000)

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Post by marcodiego »

sn_master wrote: post #118
LeoPanthera wrote: post #12

I was working in IT at a large British university when Spotify launched, and we had to block certain ports because early versions of Spotify used a peer to peer swarm to reduce the load on their servers, and it was so popular with students that it was completely jamming up the network.

afaik Skype also was using peer-to-peer until Microsoft bought them.

I wonder if Skype would have survived had they used an open protocol.
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