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Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research

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Re: Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research

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Post by TechBro8615 »

phreeza wrote: post #306
phkahler wrote: post #61

Some people: >> Vincent Racaniello, a professor of microbiology and immunology at Columbia University, was adamant that the proposal did not change his opinion that the pandemic was caused by a natural spillover from animals to humans. “There are zero data to support a lab origin ‘notion,’” Racaniello wrote in an email. There seems to be zero data to support his spillover idea too. But now we have documentation of pe…

The question is if it is possible to stop this kind of research at all, given the potential military applications. Will it not just push research from publicly known and inspected (like Wuhan) into secret military labs?

Perhaps the US could start by not funding the labs in question.

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Post by TechBro8615 »

qaq wrote: post #309

I have no clue what actually happened but this sequence looks weird to me: * Event occurs * Access to investigate is limited * A deep independent investigation is blocked *Internet is flooded with msging that unless there are hard facts uncovered by independent investigation some of the origin theories are def conspiracy theories

What’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth?

About 18 months.

Re: Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research

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Post by dang »

colordrops wrote: post #406
tikiman163 wrote: post #339

Guys, two points here. One, this proposal was rejected. This did not happen! Two, their proposal was for genetic manipulation of an existing virus, which research on the existing corona virus shows was not the case. This has nothing to do with the corona virus strains we are currently dealing with, and more importantly, there has never been any credible research proving that Covid was made in a lab. The only paper th…

I read the entire thread for this submission last night, which has an amazing amount of deep discussion, to wake up to a comment from a user without much post history saying nothing more than "guys, nothing to see here" pushed to the top. And the account name matches that of many other farmed accounts on Twitter and Reddit, that being two words and some random numbers. I can't help but be very suspicious. I know this…

The votes were perfectly ordinary. So is the username.

Would you mind reviewing the site guidelines and sticking to them? You broke them badly with this comment.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research

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Post by Justin_K »

xyzzyz wrote: post #445
Justin_K wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only evidence that exists is indirect because of China's stonewalling. When International researchers are denied access to the EpiCentre of a global pandemic, you cannot use the argument that there is no evidence.

It's even worse than that. They did actually given access to Wuhan lab to WHO investigation team tasked with studying the possibility of lab leak, back in February/March last year. The team concluded that that it could not have leaked from Wuhan lab. The name of the lead investigator of the team? Peter Daszak, the very same one. I'm not making this up.

Yes - 60 minutes had a great piece on this

Re: Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research

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Post by sumedh »

avianlyric wrote: post #390
sumedh wrote: post #374

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> are pushing ourselves further away from science and transparency... because China was not transparent and hid (probably destroyed) evidence. Its concerning that people dont want to hold China accountable. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/how-china-blocked...

The goal should be to find the truth. Not “hold China accountable”. We can’t punish people for crimes we can’t prove they committed.

> The goal should be to find the truth. Not “hold China accountable”

In this case it is the same thing unless you are claiming Covid started in some other country and they tried to hide the evidence.

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Post by resonious »

beowulfey wrote: post #360
resonious wrote: post #356

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This novel virus started spreading pretty close to a lab that studies viruses. I think that counts as "actual evidence" that it came out of a lab. Of course, evidence != proof. And even if it did come from the lab, that in itself does not imply malice.

That is not evidence! It is at best a coincidence. An even stronger coincidence would be that this lab had a genotypically similar virus stored prior to its detection. But even that is not evidence of release; it is just a stronger hypothesis. If I was near a bank robbery at the time of occurrence, it does not count as evidence that I did it. Not even if I have a history of robbing banks. It must be combined with oth…

At best a coincidence and at worst what? Evidence? I think being near or at a bank at the time it was robbed totally does count as evidence that you may have done it. Forgive me for pointing out little details in your post, but

> It must be combined with other, stronger evidence ...

This sounds like you agree. It's just weak evidence, and that's for darn sure.

Re: Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research

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Post by colordrops »

dang wrote: post #453
colordrops wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the entire thread for this submission last night, which has an amazing amount of deep discussion, to wake up to a comment from a user without much post history saying nothing more than "guys, nothing to see here" pushed to the top. And the account name matches that of many other farmed accounts on Twitter and Reddit, that being two words and some random numbers. I can't help but be very suspicious. I know this…

The votes were perfectly ordinary. So is the username. Would you mind reviewing the site guidelines and sticking to them? You broke them badly with this comment. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Understood. I got carried away by the topic, will be more mindful in the future.

Re: Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research

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Post by dang »

colordrops wrote: post #457
dang wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The votes were perfectly ordinary. So is the username. Would you mind reviewing the site guidelines and sticking to them? You broke them badly with this comment. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Understood. I got carried away by the topic, will be more mindful in the future.

Appreciated!

Re: Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research

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Post by mikeblackson »

uap wrote: post #336
googlemaps wrote: post #206

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There is a nearly identical RBD in the wild. But... without the furin cleavage site. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28649716 And you know what, northern Laos where the RBD was found, and south Yunnan, where the well documented sars outbreak happened (which presumably led to the discovery of ratg13), share a border with each other

What if EcoHealth (originally Wildlife Preservation Trust International) was infiltrated by eco-terrorists who did the reasearch anyway then released a depopulation virus to punish humans and 'restore balance' to the ecosystem, in a sicko 'Army of the 12 Monkeys'-style act of terrorism? But either they weren't that successful ( only 5 million deaths is not depopulation) or their goal was lockdowns and reduced air tra…

I tend to think this was a malicious release. There was quite a bit of tension between the US and China when this virus emerged. I would not be surprised if the US released this virus in Wuhan during the War Games of 2019.

If China was attempting to attack the planet, why would they release a virus in their own country when releasing it in any major city would've been just as easy?

Re: Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research

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Post by someguydave »

roca wrote: post #95
someguydave wrote: post #84

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what he knows might embarrass or reveal dishonesty from others in the government or those seeking positions in the government

The government is not a monolith. The US Congress could do this and individual Congresspeople don't have an obvious interest in covering this up. Edit: the problem looks like partisan politics to me. Republicans have been agitating to pressure Daszak, and therefore Democrats are against it.

I agree I think it is partisan. My take is that Democrats and the media built up Fauci’s credibility during the 2020 election and don’t want to see it be demolished by what could obviously be a massive scandal. If Daszak goes down it would ruin the credibility of the entire government on the subject of pandemics.
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