They should simply develop the app for the PinePhone
Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
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Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#92While Telegram is seen as a "wild west" of free speech by many, its centralization and worrying lack of encryption for most "non-secret" chats is something to keep in mind when reading Durov's passionate claims. - https://www.wired.com/story/telegram-encryption-whatsapp-set... - https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/amp/multiple-encryption-f... Also, the optional E2EE encryption is way more limited (e.g., single-device,…
I would pick encrypted Telegram over Signal anyday, but I believe that decentralized solutions with open source backends, like MaidSAFE, Freenet, and to some extent Matrix.org are the future.
Matrix share metadata by default. Count them out.
And they have no desire to switch from their Python based server.
Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would pick encrypted Telegram over Signal anyday, but I believe that decentralized solutions with open source backends, like MaidSAFE, Freenet, and to some extent Matrix.org are the future.
Matrix share metadata by default. Count them out. And they have no desire to switch from their Python based server.
arent they building servers in Go and Rust ?
https://matrix.org/docs/projects/server/conduit
https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite
Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would pick encrypted Telegram over Signal anyday, but I believe that decentralized solutions with open source backends, like MaidSAFE, Freenet, and to some extent Matrix.org are the future.
Matrix share metadata by default. Count them out. And they have no desire to switch from their Python based server.
Yeah, I agree. I am simply counting them due to their future plams to do E2E peer to peer networks.
What I would really LOVE to see is just decentralized backends that can be accessed via a growing number of https gateways by a widget on any website, and used to sideload code that will run apps and update apps.
That will be an uncensorable app store (unless you censor all websites, or sniff all https packets and block ones that seem like they follow this protocol).
If only Apple/Google would allow us the ability to run our own notification servers…
Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#95Regardless of whether these are the true reasons, Telegram being forced to ban a bot means Telegram can no longer be relied upon as a messenger. They have two options: 1. Find a way around relying on Apple and Google's blessings 2. Make it technically impossible for themselves to ban someone like this again
They ban bots all the time. Bots are consider public and have to comply with telegrams ToS and to an extent with Apple/Googles ToS. Problems here mostly are related to illegal data, copyright infringement and adult content. If they could not remove such stuff Telegram would have long been shut down or at least kicked from all app stores. The same rules apply to any other app on the stores. No technical solution (encr…
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Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#96Regardless of whether these are the true reasons, Telegram being forced to ban a bot means Telegram can no longer be relied upon as a messenger. They have two options: 1. Find a way around relying on Apple and Google's blessings 2. Make it technically impossible for themselves to ban someone like this again
They ban bots all the time. Bots are consider public and have to comply with telegrams ToS and to an extent with Apple/Googles ToS. Problems here mostly are related to illegal data, copyright infringement and adult content. If they could not remove such stuff Telegram would have long been shut down or at least kicked from all app stores. The same rules apply to any other app on the stores. No technical solution (encr…
> The same rules apply to any other app on the stores.
So you can't sell a web browser that can access illegal copyright infringing adult content?
I think they should remove all browsers then.
Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#97This is why apps suck. Steve Jobs got us into this mess by trying to monopolize the iPhone processor (and only allowed the web to bootstrap his platform). Complete control can be strong armed by dictators, and our spineless capitalists will bend to their will. The W3C needs to develop a standard for non-DOM, immediate mode painted, fully WASM apps that can access all of a device's hardware. Storage, cameras, network,…
If you want something that can't be strong armed by governments, the web sucks too. There's virtually nothing in it to resist censorship.
I'm sure this voting app could've been a website, and I'm sure it was or could have been blocked in Russia.
Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except that law does not apply for these elections that last several days https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4800223 The law allowing campaigning was passed in May 2021.
Your link contradicts what you're saying, no? >Согласно закону, предвыборная агитация должна быть завершена в 00:00 по местному времени первого дня голосования.
actively asking a bot to provide information upon initiated request is not campaigning.
Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#99Regardless of whether these are the true reasons, Telegram being forced to ban a bot means Telegram can no longer be relied upon as a messenger. They have two options: 1. Find a way around relying on Apple and Google's blessings 2. Make it technically impossible for themselves to ban someone like this again
They do provide the apks on their website which dondon't have the app stores' rules upon them. You might try that.
The bot was banned in that one too.
Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app
#100That's why we don't have side loading as a first class citizen. Our phones become leashes