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Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

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Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

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If and when these become common, while there will be instances where such devices and detection is helpful and life saving, I'm wondering if for the larger population it will only lead to increased hypochondria. Only time will tell I guess..

At least one study has discovered that for some hypochondriacs, seeing previously-hidden health data can increase health anxiety. I personally find it reassuring and helpful in improving behaviors.

Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

#102
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The specific concern raised in the parent comment is about healthcare data leaks. In my view, every company handling healthcare data should be responsible for keeping that data safe and having proper consent, regardless of whether the software is paid for by doctors or by iPhone users. I don't think this viewpoint is absurd.

>The specific concern raised in the parent comment is about healthcare data leaks. Hacking electronic health record software requires hacking into data centres/cloud providers. Hacking this proposal merely requires hacking an iPhone. Electronic health record software only stores data you wish to allow your health provider to discover. Apple and co. are (according to the article) thinking about automatic collection. T…

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Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

#103
post #90

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When there is an indication, then it's already too late. The trust you have in the system is not the trust I have.

Well yeah, but without observable facts, this is just wild guesses or paranoia. Considering the regular news about weaknesses in anything from Safari to iMessages, I have a really hard time taking these claims seriously. The storage and processing of health data is documented, and they do not leave the device or the Secure Enclave (unless you accept it, e.g. during a study).

> Well yeah, but without observable facts, this is just wild guesses or paranoia.

Not at all. What you are saying is that you don't want to lock the front-door because nobody has illegally entered your house yet. In contrast, I want to lock my front-door for obvious reasons. No paranoia. It's just a different mentality of dealing with security.

Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

#104
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The specific concern raised in the parent comment is about healthcare data leaks. In my view, every company handling healthcare data should be responsible for keeping that data safe and having proper consent, regardless of whether the software is paid for by doctors or by iPhone users. I don't think this viewpoint is absurd.

>The specific concern raised in the parent comment is about healthcare data leaks. Hacking electronic health record software requires hacking into data centres/cloud providers. Hacking this proposal merely requires hacking an iPhone. Electronic health record software only stores data you wish to allow your health provider to discover. Apple and co. are (according to the article) thinking about automatic collection. T…

This is where consent comes into play. Today, a lot of people have already consensually downloaded their healthcare provider's patient portal app onto their mobile devices, so some subset of their doctor's EHR's data has already graced their mobile devices by their own consent, based on their own judgement of the risks involved. From the standpoint of electronic healthcare data merely existing on a device that could theoretically be hacked, having a consensual system like this on a mobile device would not break any new ground.

Edit: I also wouldn't assume that an iPhone is less secure than various computers and cloud servers that doctors use for their EHR software. This is where high engineering and security standards come into play.

Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

#105
post #64

I suffer from bi-polar disorder and it's been difficult to get a referral to a psychiatrist who can confirm the diagnosis. The depressive phases are easier to spot and I get medication for that when it's too bad. The thing is, there are already countless mechanisms that can track the obvious symptoms of a manic phase, but none of them have an incentive to tell you that you're suddenly spending too much. Frivolous pur…

> buying shit on Amazon at 2am, etc. You're at the pub more often, and drinking more

Okay, some simple guidance, you don't need anyone (or anything) but yourself to do this: don't stay up past midnight. If you do, the next day you must wear blue light blocking glasses for 4 hours and drink extremely strong chamomile tea. This will kill most mania/hypomania, something often triggered by sleep variance.

Do not drink. Whatever benefits come from it are not worth the mood disruption (if you do indeed suffer from a mood disorder).

Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

#106

A little dismayed that the sci-fi "tech futurism" attitude of previous decades is now a beaten, lifeless corpse. Opt-in health features that give you more control over your health? World-ending! But 20 years ago, we were imagining a little wristband-type machine that would be able to non-invasively and routinely analyse blood samples, detecting cancer a decade early, increasing human lifespans, etc. This pattern is a…

I am that hypothetical person, actually CSAM kicked me in the bottom and removed "tech fetishism" completely from my perspective. Using my several NAS stations to find music takes seconds if I stream locally. If I want to listen on the go I find immense pleasure in selecting which playlist I will play. Comparing this with dark patterns filled UX from any streaming service is funny. I control my UX, not some millennial PM trying hard to impress upper management for promotion.

I don't watch TV from 15 years. I have RSS for several sources to inform me, it is amazingly fast process, I have important shit to do in my day. I have a real library with real books, some of them very old (added value).

I produce technology, web-technology. But I see a future where a lot of people will pay good money to have user centered UX, not politically or "insert common good mantra" motivated experience.

There are no risk of dystopia, we are living in one. Palantir, NSO, countless other "surveillance businesses" are fighting over peoples data. The free petrol of the future overlords.

Why the endemic pessimism? There is no pessimism, there is real, factual information everyday. If someone wants to connect the political situation, the pandemic situation and the corporate movements, the data is obvious and accessible.

When It Comes to Data, Skepticism Matters (https://hbr.org/2014/10/when-it-comes-to-data-skepticism-mat...).

Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

#107
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The specific concern raised in the parent comment is about healthcare data leaks. Hacking electronic health record software requires hacking into data centres/cloud providers. Hacking this proposal merely requires hacking an iPhone. Electronic health record software only stores data you wish to allow your health provider to discover. Apple and co. are (according to the article) thinking about automatic collection. T…

This is where consent comes into play. Today, a lot of people have already consensually downloaded their healthcare provider's patient portal app onto their mobile devices, so some subset of their doctor's EHR's data has already graced their mobile devices by their own consent, based on their own judgement of the risks involved. From the standpoint of electronic healthcare data merely existing on a device that could…

Your previous deleted post compared hacking this to a constructive proof of P=NP. Are you kidding me?

>This is where consent comes into play.

Oh please. Having a buried setting isn't consent, since there are a million settings to disable. Besides, if and when these things are hacked, it's easy to turn on.

>Today, a lot of people have already consensually downloaded their healthcare provider's patient portal app

An automatic opt-out scanning system on a massive amount of phones, where all the data is in a standard place on a phone, isn't comparable to an unknown amount of people downloading unstructured data to their phones and keeping an unknown amount of it.

Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

#108

Since most of the comments here seem to be on the hysterical side: 1. This is not something Apple is rolling out now with their devices and systems. 2. This is research being done by UCLA and BioNTech using Apple's various sensors. 3. There's nothing concerning here (yet). This is a common kind of research using novel sensors (either actually novel sensors or taking advantage of their now-pervasiveness). Webcams were…

> UCLA and BioNTech

Biogen. BioNTech is still pretty focused on mRNA technology :-)

Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

#109
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is where consent comes into play. Today, a lot of people have already consensually downloaded their healthcare provider's patient portal app onto their mobile devices, so some subset of their doctor's EHR's data has already graced their mobile devices by their own consent, based on their own judgement of the risks involved. From the standpoint of electronic healthcare data merely existing on a device that could…

Your previous deleted post compared hacking this to a constructive proof of P=NP. Are you kidding me? >This is where consent comes into play. Oh please. Having a buried setting isn't consent, since there are a million settings to disable. Besides, if and when these things are hacked, it's easy to turn on. >Today, a lot of people have already consensually downloaded their healthcare provider's patient portal app An au…

I can't keep responding to this thread. The following is what I said in the beginning of it.

> we need to set high standards for engineering, security, user consent, and privacy expectations for companies working in this area

Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

#110

Since most of the comments here seem to be on the hysterical side: 1. This is not something Apple is rolling out now with their devices and systems. 2. This is research being done by UCLA and BioNTech using Apple's various sensors. 3. There's nothing concerning here (yet). This is a common kind of research using novel sensors (either actually novel sensors or taking advantage of their now-pervasiveness). Webcams were…

> UCLA and BioNTech Biogen. BioNTech is still pretty focused on mRNA technology :-)

Thanks. I went to lunch and came back and realized I'd mistyped it, hadn't bothered to put in a correction post and was well passed the edit period by the time I saw it.
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