I suffer from bi-polar disorder and it's been difficult to get a referral to a psychiatrist who can confirm the diagnosis. The depressive phases are easier to spot and I get medication for that when it's too bad. The thing is, there are already countless mechanisms that can track the obvious symptoms of a manic phase, but none of them have an incentive to tell you that you're suddenly spending too much. Frivolous pur…
That's the neat thing, the data won't help you get better care.
Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline
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Great anecdote about your friend. As long as no health data leaves my Apple Watch + iPhone, I am OK with local deep learning (or other models) running on my devices. I do wish there were International standards and local laws supporting: all data staying on users' devices unless explicitly shared with health care providers, and also agreed upon standards for anonymizing explicitly shared data for the public good (res…
The problem here is the tight integration by Apple: the app and the networking services are implemented by the same company. I'd be ok with an app by a third party which does not automatically gets network access on my phone explicitly or implicitly, so I know my data doesn't leave my phone.
AFAIK, except when you enrol in a study, none of that depends on network access.
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Frankly, it would probably be fine if it could be turned off and if turned on, doesn’t report its findings back to Apple (or anyone, but you, for the matter).
No Apple health features report anything back to Apple or anyone else. Why would you expect this to be different?
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#85Apple is working on iPhone features that, when they leak, will hurt your ability to get a job, and health insurance.
The same could be said about electronic health record software generally. Electronic healthcare data as a phenomenon isn't going anywhere; it will only get bigger, and individuals stand to benefit tremendously from this fact as it will make early diagnoses and getting the right care at the right time more likely. Rather than panic when we find out that another company will be handling healthcare data, we need to set…
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#86This pattern is all over the place now. I get there's reasons for it, but let's take into account one thing: throughout history, the luddites/skeptics were rarely right in their apocalyptic predictions. People today may be deciding to drop all smartphones, avoid modern TVs, avoid modern computers and stick to a 2008 barebones ThinkPad, give up music streaming services and run their own email; i.e. refusing any of the time-efficiency gains technology gave us in the last decades and ensuring they'll spend much more time troubleshooting and maintaining tech, taking away from the precious, short time they have on this earth, all to what end?
That hypothetical person, who switches away from all corporate technology because of Apple's CSAM news, is now maintaining their own music library, turning music discovery from something that takes seconds, to taking minutes or hours. A pattern that'll repeat itself throughout their life if they're consistent.
But will Apple users be living in camps, in 2050, because the frog will finally be boiled by then? Or will none of these fears turn out to be real concerns, and CSAM-detection's (just using it as an example, since that seems like a catalyst for many here) errors will be extremely rare and rapidly corrected?
To me, the risk of dystopia is lowered not by those willing to burn it all down and give up modern society, it's lowered by the fact that modern society is too interconnected for these dystopian scenarios to unfold like a novel: laws will be passed, corporations will be pressured by social media campaigns, and the state of the world will remain "mostly acceptable" just like today. Why the endemic pessimism?
Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline
#87Since most of the comments here seem to be on the hysterical side: 1. This is not something Apple is rolling out now with their devices and systems. 2. This is research being done by UCLA and BioNTech using Apple's various sensors. 3. There's nothing concerning here (yet). This is a common kind of research using novel sensors (either actually novel sensors or taking advantage of their now-pervasiveness). Webcams were…
>If the research finds that any of that data correlates with relevant mental-health conditions, the hope is to turn those signals into an app or feature that could warn people they might be at risk and prompt them to seek care I am worried about the part of article that mentions that they want to automate the analysis of the data to some degree and move it out a strictly clinical research setting. I have also done so…
The sky did not fall, hospital managed just fine (before COVID, that is), nobody's precious heart rate data were leaked, and a couple of lives were saved.
These things gather metrics and suggest to see a doctor. They don't do anything like diagnostics, and they don't replace a doctor. It would just nudge someone to see a specialist, who would then diagnose according to their experience and the patient's symptoms. Noise is irrelevant here.
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No Apple health features report anything back to Apple or anyone else. Why would you expect this to be different?
Oh, I don't know... the behaviour of the entire rest of the tech industry.
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The problem here is the tight integration by Apple: the app and the networking services are implemented by the same company. I'd be ok with an app by a third party which does not automatically gets network access on my phone explicitly or implicitly, so I know my data doesn't leave my phone.
Has there been any indication that health data and the associated sensitive information are leaving the device without the user's consent? They would run afoul of quite a lot of laws and regulations in all western jurisdictions the moment they do that. AFAIK, except when you enrol in a study, none of that depends on network access.
The trust you have in the system is not the trust I have.