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Billions of people can't afford the effects of artificially cheap energy. Just make everyone pay a tax to clean up the pollution whatever they're making is causing.
EU Is Warned Green Label for Gas Would Be ‘Disastrous’ Mistake
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#13We can’t just ignore the fact that a carbon problem will not be solved by releasing more carbon into the atmosphere. We have half a dozen sources of carbon free energy. The EU is right here. Including gas power in the green book is laughable.
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#14Gas is a bridging technology which will facilitate industrialized economies' transitions to carbon-neutral electricity generation. It should be treated as such in its own right.
The gas infrastructure currently deployed is already far sufficient to serve that purpose. It is a good argument for not tearing it down, but not for building more. Conflating these two has been a great success by the fossil fuel industry.
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#15Gas is a bridging technology which will facilitate industrialized economies' transitions to carbon-neutral electricity generation. It should be treated as such in its own right.
The gas infrastructure currently deployed is already far sufficient to serve that purpose. It is a good argument for not tearing it down, but not for building more. Conflating these two has been a great success by the fossil fuel industry.
Since I know someone will ask for a source, here's one: https://www.investigate-europe.eu/en/2020/the-gas-trap-repor...
> Silvia Pastorelli explained that companies “have been consistently over-estimating the need for gas and basically, ENTSOG members have received something like, just short of 90% of the EU’s gas infrastructure subsidies which is a lot of money, and the fact that they basically can decide gives them lots of power.”
> But according to Global Energy Monitor’s (GEM) report, ‘Gas at a Crossroads‘, the EU already has a large excess of gas infrastructure. The EU gas import capacity is nearly twice as high as EU gas consumption – according to the report, “The utilization rate in 2018 was ~60%, with ~40% spare capacity.” And GEM’s survey found €117 bn in new EU gas projects are in development, including €52 bn for gas pipelines, €12 billion for LNG import terminals, and €53 bn for gas-fired power stations.
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#16Don't forget that climate change is good for Russia...
The same could be said about the US as the warming will also make natural resources in Alaska more approachable.
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> What's disastrous is that millions of people can't afford artificially expensive energy to heat their homes and commute to work.
Do you think it would be more affordable to relocate some populations and rebuild a few cities after floodings, droughts, famines and wildfires caused by that cheaper fossil energy? 'Artificial' depends on your definition of who is paying, and when.
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Not going to stop you in whatever you're doing, but ironically socialists tend to dislike the EU because it is primarily a common market. The reason most of the EU's leftists don't support a Brexit-style exit is that it's economic and geopolitical suicide unless your country's economy is already fully self-sufficient (i.e. if all imports and exports were shut down the country would still flourish).
Also socialists tend to be against globalization (i.e. creating a unified global market) because it strengthens multi-national corporations, which are harder to reign in than local companies (see Apple, Google and Facebook preferring to pay EU fines rather than sticking to the regulations meant to rein them in).
But you didn't say they support globalization, of course, you said they support globalism, which just incidentally happens to be a right-wing dogwhistle for the Jewish conspiracy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalism
But I'm sure that's entirely accidental.
EDIT: Interesting. Not complaining but it's curious to see my comments go from slowly increasing positive scores to max negative. HN voting is certainly following interesting patterns and not at all in line with its own guidelines (obviously).
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#19This is the collision between imperfect (but working) versus perfect (but not working).
It's more important to get emissions down now than to aim for a perfect standard that no one has yet reached, and doesn't appear reachable any time soon.
The emissions matter, not the goals of activist NGOs.
This cuts emissions, that's why it qualified.
Results > ideology.
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> What's disastrous is that millions of people can't afford artificially expensive energy to heat their homes and commute to work. Do you think it would be more affordable to relocate some populations and rebuild a few cities after floodings, droughts, famines and wildfires caused by that cheaper fossil energy? 'Artificial' depends on your definition of who is paying, and when.
That's a big "if"