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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by lrvick » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 10:07 AM UTC

milesvp wrote: post #641

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Thank you for giving me the courage to go this route. The only reason I'm on Windows at this point is for gaming. Time to give Proton another try. I can't wait for my Steam Deck to arrive next year! =)

Some games will have issues due largely to drivers. But I stopped booting to my win7 partition at least a year and a half ago, and gaming on steam has only gotten better. Just know that games with anti cheat tend to not work. Lucky for me the only multiplayer game I play much of is Overwatch on lutris. And lutris is still supported enough by blizzard that it won’t trigger a ban by itself.

That situation just got a huge update this week: https://dev.epicgames.com/en-US/news/epic-online-services-la...

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by perryizgr8 » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 10:17 AM UTC

I can't believe Dell and/or Microsoft have fucked up laptop design so badly that you can't keep a sleeping laptop in your bag. It has to be intentional. They are trying to lose users. Anybody with a functioning brain will realize that this is a massive regression and cannot be allowed to be released in the wild. Imagine paying $2500 for a Dell XPS and not being able to keep it on sleep!

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Aerroon » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 10:20 AM UTC

fxtentacle wrote: post #608

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I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I've never had it return with "unknown" once in over a decade, but some people I know have. if you can find all the things waking the computer, and fix those things, it will never wake without user intervention. usually, for me, it's been device…

Haha I should have mentioned that one as a repeat offender. After the Surface wakes up, reboots, makes noise, gets hot, and drains 20% of its battery, if I then run "powercfg.exe /lastwake" it'll pretend that it did not wake up X_X And in my case, there wasn't any non-Microsoft drivers on the system. The issue appears to be that they do magical stuff when they spot a WiFi connection, or when my WiFi router does its d…

>The issue appears to be that they do magical stuff when they spot a WiFi connection, or when my WiFi router does its daily reboot.

I think that might've been my issue that kept waking up my desktop. I tried disabling everything I could to stop wake ups - to make it only wake up on pressing the power button, but I never got it to work properly. The desktop would just seemingly randomly decide that it wants to wake up again. I eventually stopped trying to put computers to sleep - it's either shut down or it just stays running.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by ayushnix » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 10:26 AM UTC

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> and not buying laptops with terrible linux support but I wouldn't paint the situation as this tragic. Please tell me the name of a laptop which has excellent support for Linux. At this point, I'm ready to go out of my way to spend more money than I can afford if that gets me excellent Linux compatibility. I know, for a fact, that AMD based ThinkPads don't qualify. The Intel based FrameWork laptop has issues with su…

I have a Thinkpad X270, it has an Intel CPU. Never had any problems with suspend/resume on Linux.

I obviously won't buy a 5 year old laptop. I guess I should change my question to "Are there any laptops released within the past year that have excellent Linux compatibility?" Because from what I've read on forums, suspend resume doesn't work for a lot of people and the scenario keeps changing from one Linux version to the other.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Aerroon » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 10:29 AM UTC

chii wrote: post #675

qazwse_ wrote: post #658

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I had the exact same experience. Nothing like being woken up at 2 am because Windows decided now is a good time to update. It's one of the major reasons I decided to switch to desktop Linux permanently.

> Nothing like being woken up at 2 am because Windows decided now is a good time to update. while i understand the intention behind automatic updates, i feel it's an anti-user design. It is based on the assumption (a bad one) that the user isn't intelligent enough to do the update at a time suitable for them. It assumes that the windows design and dev team knows better. It takes control away from the user. Rather tha…

Software companies designed very intrusive update systems that pestered users. Then they made many updates that break software. This created a culture of hostility to updating. This caused some issues.

Then the software companies and developers, in their infinite wisdom, decided that the best approach was to force updates on the users. Because when people are already upset with your awful updating mechanisms then forcing them to do so is surely going to improve things. And now we have people crippling update functionality as a result.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by fegu » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 10:29 AM UTC

naikrovek wrote: post #726

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Offtopic: > or when my WiFi router does its daily reboot. Damn, I think that might fix 99% of the issues I have with my WiFi router.

I have a $300 Ubiquiti Dream Machine and that thing CANT be scheduled to reboot. doesn't matter because Ethernet dies twice a day, and I need to use my phone to get to the admin page to restart the thing. most annoying and expensive router I've ever owned. I DO NOT understand how all routers I have ever owned are total garbage, but they all have been.

Some routers (and other electronics) are very sensitive to short spikes or drips in mains power. Having some heavy duty stuff such as heating cables or water heater or tumble dryer on the same circuit is enough. Get equipment to monitor it.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by herbst » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 10:36 AM UTC

qazwse_ wrote: post #658

Arrath wrote: post #492

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I was chasing this issue with my previous desktop which, at the time, was in my bedroom. I've always preferred sleep/hibernate over shutting it down but when Windows decided it knew better and to constantly wake it from sleep in the middle of the night to do updates, filling my room with light from all the case/fan leds, I was about ready to go Office Space on the thing. What was worse, it wouldn't go back to sleep a…

I had the exact same experience. Nothing like being woken up at 2 am because Windows decided now is a good time to update. It's one of the major reasons I decided to switch to desktop Linux permanently.

Half of the time I read the comments here I wonder why people even use Windows. Kudos on you, your computer randomly waking you up because you have no control about anything is none of your issues anymore :)

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by ypcx » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 11:14 AM UTC

nikau wrote: post #737

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I really like the Lenovo X1s with Linux, no issues, great luck with hardware so far (on my second one). I also have a MacBook Pro, and I gotta say I like the Lenovo with fedora better.

Same, use a macbook and carbon X1. Only thing the Macbook does noticeably better is speaker quality which isn't surprising given the size difference.

How about sleep, trackpad support/configurability, battery endurance, 4k display support, external monitor support? I've seen complaints about all of these wrt Linux on X1.

Macbook now has the M1 going for it.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by piceas » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 11:17 AM UTC

ayushnix wrote: post #752

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I never understood why I should be hibernating instead of suspending so I can't talk about that - but I haven't seen a laptop unable to suspend for years. That could be luck and not buying laptops with terrible linux support but I wouldn't paint the situation as this tragic. The experience out of the box is still crap because the ACPI signals from the hardware are often a complete mess - but disabling most of them ge…

> and not buying laptops with terrible linux support but I wouldn't paint the situation as this tragic. Please tell me the name of a laptop which has excellent support for Linux. At this point, I'm ready to go out of my way to spend more money than I can afford if that gets me excellent Linux compatibility. I know, for a fact, that AMD based ThinkPads don't qualify. The Intel based FrameWork laptop has issues with su…

I can't confirm my experience is excellent but my partner's 2021 Acer Spin Pro 5 is on par with various Lenovo laptops (I was surprised when it mostly just worked) and better than Asus mobo desktops that I have used.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by ypcx » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 11:26 AM UTC

bscphil wrote: post #651

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Writing this from my 2019 XPS 15 7590 i9 with (extended) 64 GB RAM. The OLED display quality is still the best any laptop can offer, but that's where it ends. Had countless issues with sleep, reboots after being "killed in sleep" for going over Windows sleep "battery drain limit" (can be increased in registry but hey), wifi/bt issues after wake-up, short battery endurance, fan noise (mitigated by undervolting w/ Thro…

> like bad keyboards, bad trackpad (too much scrolling, jagged scrolling, bad trackpad surface) Curious to hear more about the keyboard / trackpad issues you're seeing. I have an older XPS model, which has the best laptop keyboard I've ever used (better than any MacBook I've tried) and a great trackpad too (I haven't used a MacBook from the last several years, but it's hard to beat physical left/right buttons). Has t…

My 7590's keyboard is the polar opposite of the new Macbook butterfly keyboard which is considered too slim/tight/short-key-travel -- the Dell's keyboard is harder to press, they keys wiggle (this is exacerbated on the big keys like the Spacebar) -- a fast touch typer will hate this keyboard. (And even much more so after getting used to the Macbook's short travel keyboard (2018 mbp pro)).

Interesting, last time I checked (years ago), Linux was abhorrent when it came to trackpad support.

And you are actually right that the trackpad surface on XPS in particular is actually one of the better/best ones. However options for tweaking it in Windows settings is non-existent, and so it is much slower than the mac trackpad, and my finger end up fatigued from casual scrolling, which never happens on mac. (This (trackpad scrolling speed) is tweakable eg in VSCode but not in Chrome etc.)